I was perusing Slashdot and came across a post titled "India to overtake us on number of developers by 2017."  Wow, that is in just four years.  But buried in the comments was this gem from a relatively articulate Indian:

I am an Indian Programmer/developer/IT guy. I can contribute my story and hope its relevant. The beginning of my career is typical. I am bachelors in Electrical Engineering. I always 'liked' electricity. I did not have a computer till I was 20 something. I did have lots of broken electronics though and used to make little hobby circuits. I did not design the circuits but copied them from magazines/books. I kind of understood why they worked but not really. I always wanted to 'get it'. My questions which were not explained in the text books in school remained unanswered. Teachers did not seem to know the answers. Abstract concepts were pushed down my throat as hard reality with no other possibilities. Accepting them was the only way to get 'good marks'. I had no access to internet (or a computer during school) but my dad bought me as much books as he could afford. I used to like Maths in beginning and was good at it but got stuck on square root of 2: irrationals, their importance etc. and other higher level abstractions in school. The access to the books I had or the Teachers did not clear things up. I always knew inside I was an idiot. I was achieving decent scores/grades and was considered an excellent student because I realised the only path given to me was to memorize tons of information in stupidly written text books . The examination questions are from the same text books, even patterns of the Math problems. So to really apply myself to 'succeed' was never really needed. Its hard to keep my tone normal and objective because the truth is the Education system is horrible. It like turning human beings into
'hard disks' and not critically thinking/questioning conscious beings. Indians I feel are not genetically predisposed to being idiots but the Education system is designed
to leave no other option. I do not know exactly how this came to be, but probably it was modelled on accepting West to be the creators and us the consumers of knowledge. No questions asked. Then I got into an engineering college and took up Electrical Engineering for four years. In a nutshell,a joke: The teachers, the books,
the labs: everything from the middle ages and that when my college is considered internally and even internationally to be a good one! It was the same script as school: spend most time eating rubbish books for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I was amazed all the time how students, teachers all around me had no problems with this. My dad advised to go trough this mill to have a degree to get a Job then find your own way. If you don’t have a degree, you are ffed. So that is what I did instead of dropping out.
I found majority of my fellow students did not care about physics, maths, computers .. anything really, just dreamt of joining companies like TCS, Infosys etc and kept
cramming their previous interview questions sheets etc as we approached end of our Engineering degree. Only care seems to be about Getting a job, cars, home, the girl/guy to settle down with, going f..kin 'onsite' is the dream. Political, intellectually shallow players built for corporate. I couldn’t compete with them and still have a job in India on my own terms. When the software companies started coming in to college, I was selected by the first one and shipped to Chennai. They did not mind at all that I was an Electrical engineer and potentially knew nothing about computers. They asked me nothing about computers in the interview, just some logic questions. What mattered was that I just awesomely happy about the peanuts they were offering me in return. But peanuts they are in hindsight, At that moment I remember I was the happiest man alive. It was amazing, wow, superman moment, I forgot that I was an idiot. I thought I was kewl.
This company put me straight in to Cobol,DB2 based project for a major US client. I hated Cobol , did not know the business,did know Cobol! but that seemed not to matter! I managed
somehow and kept pushing my managers to get me into some Java project. All around me were absolute idiot developers and managers even more so, all worried about keeping up a façade of competence for the big American Gods and worried about their next onsite visits where they can earn a bit of money. We are all just clueless there and since everyone is clueless whatever requirement gets funnelled down from the client has to be taken verbatim as there is no context,thinking,confidence in self. Because everyone is clueless about everything, they agree for peanuts. That is how the companies make profits. That is why they hired me(an Electrical engg) straight from college after a joke of an interview. That is what they still do. I had no idea of the environment, the money involved or any other kind of international exposure. I was very happy in my new microcosm: A shared room with 3 other guys in a shitty place in a shitty city and not be a burden on my parents any more. I jumped companies, for higher salaries at each jump. I kept learning about computers myself as I had the money now to buy better books and internet. I finally jumped countries to the first world and joined a start up. I now kind of have a better idea now finally what an irrational number is. This country enabled me to see. My brain works differently here, works better. Kids are being kept stupid in India to serve as fodder for out sourcing firms. The stupidity level is fine tuned such that with things like stackoverflow you can write some business application level 'if else' statements + have everything else handled by someone else's libraries. The one genius guy I met in India left to work for our space program and now why is he being paid a nothingness to what I am earning here now!?
Why should I go back to India and do something about all this? And if all the slightly conscious ones are pushed outside of India, who teaches back there?
You can see now why Indian management chains build up: Top managers like Indian managers as they do not ask uncomfortable questions. The Indian managers themselves in turn know Indian sub managers will be the same. All thanks to our Education system. You have to think how exceptional are the good Indian programmers who face this huge ball of slime that is Indian Education and still succeed internationally.
Indian IT is generally a nut job and all you have are some exceptions holding it up. Take away the libraries, the frameworks, then see what can come out of India in its current state: Nothing. What good is it when the whole country becomes a façade: India does not create new. It would be hard to justify how this fact(well fact in my world) helps the human Earth overall when a major chunk of its population are onsite opportunities chasing zombies.

 

That pretty much sums of the reality of slumdog coders.  And there is over a decade worth of their shitting code around, so American techies should be busy for the next 20 years or so cleaning up their crap.  


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United States Robert Hoffman
July 15. 2013 02:00
Robert Hoffman

For years I've worked with Indian H1-B "consultants" who are mining engineers, civil engineers, etc. and the only qualification they have to displace an American IT worker is a cram course they took from their body shop. The H1-Bs are told not to discuss this scam, but once you have worked together for a while, you can get them talking about their University days and they'll let the information slip out. Non-Indian H1-Bs have always turned out to be authentic IT professionals.


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United States Dean
July 15. 2013 05:33
Dean

interesting -  but not shocking, sad to say. What this guy discusses, is pretty much exactly what myself and almost every other IT worker I know has experienced over the last 15 or so years. H1b's that come over and are touted as maverick "geniuses", yet they are only in their early 20's, but their resume's are 15 pages long ?????. When the rubber hits the road, they prove themselves to be incompetent dopes...how could that be???  They routinely practice "throw it over the wall development", they are incapable of figuring out anything on their own, or are just too lazy to even do the research on their own via the www to get the answers; they think that memorizing and asking tons of silly meaningless questions passes for "intelligence" and "analytical thinking"...but again, how can this be, they are supposed to be the "best and brightest"...
How come after almost 15 years of india being on the cutting edge of technology, there are no indian o/s's, no indian databases, no indian ERP products, no indian computers of any kind...?...where are the new indian cures for diseases, or new indian energy technology ???  Where are the results from a country that is supposed to be so full of mind-blowing intelligence and innovation ????


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United States James
July 15. 2013 06:09
James

"I always knew inside I was an idiot."

HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!! This pretty much sums up every slumdog in the world.

Is Anil Bhavnani listening? Did you find the MSDN CDs yet or are you still asking American project managers where to get them?

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

No wonder the US economy is a total wreck with millions of these conmen running rampant.


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United States jameeee
July 20. 2013 22:28
jameeee

Manhattan U.S. Attorney Announces Charges Against Eight Individuals In Connection With $2.3 Million Bribery And Kickback Scheme To Secure Business From A Medical Cost-Management Company
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Wednesday, July 17, 2013
One Executive Has Pled Guilty to Accepting Bribes and Kickbacks

Preet Bharara, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Thomas O’Donnell, the Special Agent-in-Charge of the New York Office of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Inspector General (“HHS-OIG”), and Steven G. Hughes, the Special Agent-in-Charge of the New York Office of the U.S. Secret Service today announced charges against eight individuals for their alleged involvement in a lucrative scheme in which information technology vendors paid over $2.3 million in bribes and kickbacks to secure business from executives of a Manhattan-based medical cost management company (the “New York Company”). The defendants charged with paying the bribes and kickbacks are SARVESH DHARAYAN, SANJAY GUPTA, VENKATA ATLURI, RANGARAJAN KUMAR, VADAN KUMAR KOPALLE, and DARREN SIRIANI. The defendants charged with receiving the bribes and kickbacks are ANIL SINGH and KEITH BUSH. DHARAYAN, GUPTA, KOPPALLE, and SIRIANI were arrested this morning at their homes in New Jersey, and were presented in Manhattan federal court this afternoon before U.S. Magistrate Judge James L. Cott. SINGH, who was previously arrested in April 2013, pled guilty to honest services fraud and other charges before U.S. District Judge Denise L. Cote on July 11, 2013. BUSH, who was also arrested previously on July 12, 2013, is next scheduled to appear in court for a pretrial conference on August 15, 2013. ATLURI and KUMAR are not yet in custody.

Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara said: “For the eight defendants charged in this multi-million dollar scheme, bribes and kickbacks were allegedly the cost they imposed for doing business with this medical-cost management company. As today’s charges detail, the defendants achieved their years-long fraud through fake companies, sham invoices and made-up consulting services. Today’s actions underscore our commitment to work with our law enforcement partners to bring to justice individuals who break the law out of greed.”

HHS-OIG Special Agent-in-Charge Thomas O’Donnell said: “This scheme was motivated by greed and it deprived its victim, a company in the health care field, of the honest labor of its employees. We will continue to aggressively investigate those who pay kickbacks and bribes to gain an advantage in the public and private health care sectors.”

USSS Special Agent-in-Charge Steven G. Hughes said: “The Secret Service continues to enjoy its partnership with the New York Office of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Inspector General. We find partnerships such as this to be an effective way to share resources and stop criminals from continuing to engage in fraudulent schemes.”

According to the allegations contained in the Complaint, the Informations filed against BUSH and SINGH, and other statements made in Manhattan federal court:

SINGH was employed as a Senior Vice President and the Chief Information Officer at the New York Company, which provided nation-wide medical cost management solutions including, among other things, medical reimbursement services, and BUSH was employed as the company’s Director of Database Administration. SINGH and BUSH had considerable influence over the selection of vendors, specifically vendors of database administrators (“DBAs”), hired by the New York Company.

From 2008 to September 2012, various individuals collectively paid over $2.3 million in money and other benefits to SINGH and BUSH in exchange for SINGH’s and BUSH’s agreement to steer millions of dollars of the New York Company’s DBA business to them. Specifically, as alleged:

DHARAYAN, the owner of a New Jersey information technology company (“Vendor 1”) and GUPTA, an employee of Vendor 1, paid approximately $1,722,620 in kickbacks and bribes to BUSH and SINGH in exchange for receiving DBA business from the New York Company. From 2010 to 2012, the New York Company paid Vendor 1 approximately $6,625,479.20 for placing DBAs with the New York Company.
ATLURI, the owner of another New Jersey information technology company (“Vendor 2”), paid approximately $190,436.75 in kickbacks and bribes to BUSH and SINGH in exchange for receiving DBA business from the New York Company. From 2008 to 2012, the New York Company paid Vendor 2 approximately $11,495,804.88 for placing DBAs with the New York Company.
KUMAR paid approximately $247,634 in kickbacks and bribes to BUSH and SINGH in exchange for their agreement to steer DBA business to another New Jersey information technology company (“Vendor 3”). From 2009 to 2012, the New York Company paid Vendor 3 approximately $2,593,210.38 for placing DBAs with the New York Company.
KOPALLE, who was in charge of delivery and operations at a Texas information technology company (“Vendor 4”), paid approximately $142,967.50 in kickbacks and bribes to BUSH and SINGH in exchange for receiving DBA business from the New York Company. From 2009 to 2010, the New York Company paid Vendor 4 approximately $1,035,660 for placing DBAs with the New York Company.
SIRIANI, the owner and operator of another New Jersey information technology company (“Vendor 5”) paid approximately $23,000 to $29,000 in cash kickbacks and bribes to BUSH and SINGH in exchange for receiving business from the New York Company. SIRIANI also paid for hotel rooms in Las Vegas and Costa Rica, deep sea fishing, massages, sports tickets, and other things, all in exchange for receiving business from the New York Company. From 2008 to 2012, the New York Company paid Vendor 5 approximately $1,177,600.91 for various services and products.
According to the Complaint, DHARAYAN, GUPTA, ATLURI, KUMAR, and KOPALLE paid the kickbacks and bribes through conduit companies established by BUSH and SINGH for the very purpose of disguising the true nature and origin of the illegal payments. To further conceal the bribery and kickback scheme, BUSH and SINGH sent false invoices to the conduit companies for consulting services that never occurred. Many of the kickbacks and bribes were paid pursuant to these false invoices.

*                      *                      *

DHARAYAN, 42, of Edison, New Jersey, GUPTA, 38 of East Windsor, New Jersey, ATLURI, 41, of Monmouth Junction, New Jersey, KUMAR, 47, of Monroe, New Jersey, KOPALLE, 43, of Edison, New Jersey, and SIRIANI, 45, of Matawan, New Jersey, were each charged with one count of conspiracy to commit honest services fraud, which carries a maximum term of 20 years in prison, one count of conspiracy to violate the Travel Act, which carries a maximum term of five years in prison, one count of honest services fraud, which carries a maximum term of 20 years in prison, and one count of violating the Travel Act, which carries a maximum term of five years in prison. DHARAYAN, GUPTA, ATLURI, KUMAR, and KOPALLE were also charged with one count of conspiracy to commit money laundering, which carries a maximum term of 20 years in prison.

SINGH, 40, a resident of East Brunswick, New Jersey pled guilty to one count each of conspiracy to commit honest services fraud, conspiracy to violate the Travel Act, honest services fraud, violating the Travel Act, and conspiracy to commit money laundering. He faces a maximum penalty of 70 years in prison on all counts. BUSH, 41, a resident of Rahway, New Jersey, is charged with one count each of conspiracy to commit honest services fraud, conspiracy to violate the Travel Act, honest services fraud, violating the Travel Act, and conspiracy to commit money laundering. He also faces a maximum penalty of 70 years in prison if convicted on all counts.

Mr. Bharara praised the outstanding efforts of HHS-OIG and the U.S. Secret Service in the investigation. He also thanked the New York Company for its assistance and cooperation in the investigation.

This case is being handled by the Office’s Complex Frauds Unit. Assistant U.S. Attorney Jason P. Hernandez is in charge of the prosecution. Assistant U.S. Attorney Christine Magdo of the Office’s Asset Forfeiture Unit is responsible for the forfeiture aspects of the case.

The charges and allegations contained in the Complaint and the Information filed against BUSH are merely accusations, and the defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.


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United States jameeee
July 20. 2013 22:33
jameeee

www.justice.gov/.../DharayanetalArrestPR.php


Manhattan U.S. Attorney Announces Charges Against Eight Individuals In Connection With $2.3 Million Bribery And Kickback Scheme To Secure Business From A Medical Cost-Management Company
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Wednesday, July 17, 2013
One Executive Has Pled Guilty to Accepting Bribes and Kickbacks

Preet Bharara, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Thomas O’Donnell, the Special Agent-in-Charge of the New York Office of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Inspector General (“HHS-OIG”), and Steven G. Hughes, the Special Agent-in-Charge of the New York Office of the U.S. Secret Service today announced charges against eight individuals for their alleged involvement in a lucrative scheme in which information technology vendors paid over $2.3 million in bribes and kickbacks to secure business from executives of a Manhattan-based medical cost management company (the “New York Company”). The defendants charged with paying the bribes and kickbacks are SARVESH DHARAYAN, SANJAY GUPTA, VENKATA ATLURI, RANGARAJAN KUMAR, VADAN KUMAR KOPALLE, and DARREN SIRIANI. The defendants charged with receiving the bribes and kickbacks are ANIL SINGH and KEITH BUSH. DHARAYAN, GUPTA, KOPPALLE, and SIRIANI were arrested this morning at their homes in New Jersey, and were presented in Manhattan federal court this afternoon before U.S. Magistrate Judge James L. Cott. SINGH, who was previously arrested in April 2013, pled guilty to honest services fraud and other charges before U.S. District Judge Denise L. Cote on July 11, 2013. BUSH, who was also arrested previously on July 12, 2013, is next scheduled to appear in court for a pretrial conference on August 15, 2013. ATLURI and KUMAR are not yet in custody.

Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara said: “For the eight defendants charged in this multi-million dollar scheme, bribes and kickbacks were allegedly the cost they imposed for doing business with this medical-cost management company. As today’s charges detail, the defendants achieved their years-long fraud through fake companies, sham invoices and made-up consulting services. Today’s actions underscore our commitment to work with our law enforcement partners to bring to justice individuals who break the law out of greed.”

HHS-OIG Special Agent-in-Charge Thomas O’Donnell said: “This scheme was motivated by greed and it deprived its victim, a company in the health care field, of the honest labor of its employees. We will continue to aggressively investigate those who pay kickbacks and bribes to gain an advantage in the public and private health care sectors.”

USSS Special Agent-in-Charge Steven G. Hughes said: “The Secret Service continues to enjoy its partnership with the New York Office of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Inspector General. We find partnerships such as this to be an effective way to share resources and stop criminals from continuing to engage in fraudulent schemes.”

According to the allegations contained in the Complaint, the Informations filed against BUSH and SINGH, and other statements made in Manhattan federal court:

SINGH was employed as a Senior Vice President and the Chief Information Officer at the New York Company, which provided nation-wide medical cost management solutions including, among other things, medical reimbursement services, and BUSH was employed as the company’s Director of Database Administration. SINGH and BUSH had considerable influence over the selection of vendors, specifically vendors of database administrators (“DBAs”), hired by the New York Company.

From 2008 to September 2012, various individuals collectively paid over $2.3 million in money and other benefits to SINGH and BUSH in exchange for SINGH’s and BUSH’s agreement to steer millions of dollars of the New York Company’s DBA business to them. Specifically, as alleged:

DHARAYAN, the owner of a New Jersey information technology company (“Vendor 1”) and GUPTA, an employee of Vendor 1, paid approximately $1,722,620 in kickbacks and bribes to BUSH and SINGH in exchange for receiving DBA business from the New York Company. From 2010 to 2012, the New York Company paid Vendor 1 approximately $6,625,479.20 for placing DBAs with the New York Company.
ATLURI, the owner of another New Jersey information technology company (“Vendor 2”), paid approximately $190,436.75 in kickbacks and bribes to BUSH and SINGH in exchange for receiving DBA business from the New York Company. From 2008 to 2012, the New York Company paid Vendor 2 approximately $11,495,804.88 for placing DBAs with the New York Company.
KUMAR paid approximately $247,634 in kickbacks and bribes to BUSH and SINGH in exchange for their agreement to steer DBA business to another New Jersey information technology company (“Vendor 3”). From 2009 to 2012, the New York Company paid Vendor 3 approximately $2,593,210.38 for placing DBAs with the New York Company.
KOPALLE, who was in charge of delivery and operations at a Texas information technology company (“Vendor 4”), paid approximately $142,967.50 in kickbacks and bribes to BUSH and SINGH in exchange for receiving DBA business from the New York Company. From 2009 to 2010, the New York Company paid Vendor 4 approximately $1,035,660 for placing DBAs with the New York Company.
SIRIANI, the owner and operator of another New Jersey information technology company (“Vendor 5”) paid approximately $23,000 to $29,000 in cash kickbacks and bribes to BUSH and SINGH in exchange for receiving business from the New York Company. SIRIANI also paid for hotel rooms in Las Vegas and Costa Rica, deep sea fishing, massages, sports tickets, and other things, all in exchange for receiving business from the New York Company. From 2008 to 2012, the New York Company paid Vendor 5 approximately $1,177,600.91 for various services and products.
According to the Complaint, DHARAYAN, GUPTA, ATLURI, KUMAR, and KOPALLE paid the kickbacks and bribes through conduit companies established by BUSH and SINGH for the very purpose of disguising the true nature and origin of the illegal payments. To further conceal the bribery and kickback scheme, BUSH and SINGH sent false invoices to the conduit companies for consulting services that never occurred. Many of the kickbacks and bribes were paid pursuant to these false invoices.

*                      *                      *

DHARAYAN, 42, of Edison, New Jersey, GUPTA, 38 of East Windsor, New Jersey, ATLURI, 41, of Monmouth Junction, New Jersey, KUMAR, 47, of Monroe, New Jersey, KOPALLE, 43, of Edison, New Jersey, and SIRIANI, 45, of Matawan, New Jersey, were each charged with one count of conspiracy to commit honest services fraud, which carries a maximum term of 20 years in prison, one count of conspiracy to violate the Travel Act, which carries a maximum term of five years in prison, one count of honest services fraud, which carries a maximum term of 20 years in prison, and one count of violating the Travel Act, which carries a maximum term of five years in prison. DHARAYAN, GUPTA, ATLURI, KUMAR, and KOPALLE were also charged with one count of conspiracy to commit money laundering, which carries a maximum term of 20 years in prison.

SINGH, 40, a resident of East Brunswick, New Jersey pled guilty to one count each of conspiracy to commit honest services fraud, conspiracy to violate the Travel Act, honest services fraud, violating the Travel Act, and conspiracy to commit money laundering. He faces a maximum penalty of 70 years in prison on all counts. BUSH, 41, a resident of Rahway, New Jersey, is charged with one count each of conspiracy to commit honest services fraud, conspiracy to violate the Travel Act, honest services fraud, violating the Travel Act, and conspiracy to commit money laundering. He also faces a maximum penalty of 70 years in prison if convicted on all counts.

Mr. Bharara praised the outstanding efforts of HHS-OIG and the U.S. Secret Service in the investigation. He also thanked the New York Company for its assistance and cooperation in the investigation.

This case is being handled by the Office’s Complex Frauds Unit. Assistant U.S. Attorney Jason P. Hernandez is in charge of the prosecution. Assistant U.S. Attorney Christine Magdo of the Office’s Asset Forfeiture Unit is responsible for the forfeiture aspects of the case.

The charges and allegations contained in the Complaint and the Information filed again


www.justice.gov/.../DharayanetalArrestPR.php


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United States Tunnel Rat
July 21. 2013 01:45
Tunnel Rat

Thanks for the tip jameee.  This insurgency is all over this and I'll posting more news as I get it.


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United States jameeee
July 21. 2013 22:23
jameeee

This is the same guy who shutdown your website !


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United States jameeee
July 23. 2013 09:38
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United States Sharon
July 23. 2013 09:48
Sharon

Finally some justice. This shithead has family involved in politics including his wife Chhavi Dharayan as local MOB Edison republican candidate. I guess she is working as his backup once he goes to prison. She even won the primary.. What in world is happening here. We need to contact this local republicans and let em know what this husband and wife is upto.

edisonrepublicans.com/Edison_Candidates.html


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