Tunnel Rat posted on September 2, 2012 00:14

Rest assured, this happens EVERY DAY in corporate America...

Toyota sues programmer for 'sabotaging' computer network

By for Zero Day |August 30, 2012 -- 13:16 GMT (06:16 PDT)

Summary: Automaker Toyota alleges that one of its former programmers sabotaged web applications and security systems.

Automaker Toyota alleges that one of its former programmers sabotaged web applications and security systems, and has filed a lawsuit in reprisal.

Ibrahimshah Shahulhameed was fired last week by the corporation. In an Aug. 24 complaint, Toyota says that the former programmer sabotaged its computer systems at Toyota Motor Manufacturing.

The Indian contract programmer apparently attacked the system -- crashing it in the process -- and managed to download information that is "highly confidential".

The complaint was submitted to the U.S. District Court in Lexington. Toyota says within the lawsuit:

"If this information were disseminated to competitors or otherwise made public, it would be highly damaging to Toyota and its suppliers, causing immediate and irreparable damage. The worker had no authority to access or use Toyota's property or trade secrets and it is undisputed that he did access it and altered computer programs and codes."

After being dismissed for unacceptable behavior, Shahulhameed allegedly accessed the U.S. parts supply website portal toyotasupplier.com, manipulating 3 web applications and altering security certificates that caused system failure. After doing so, the programmer downloaded documents including pricing specs, parts and quality testing data. The company believes that if this data falls into third-party hands, it could cause irreparable harm.

The complaint says it will "take days for Toyota's IT department to determine the full extent of its damage as a result of th Defendant's efforts to sabotage its system."

The rapidly-filed lawsuit also includes a temporary restraining order issued from U.S. judge Karen Caldwell, banning the programmer from leaving the country while the investigation proceeds. Shahulhameed has also been ordered to hand over all of Toyota's property and data.

According to reports, the automaker's officials don't believe sensitive company material has been distributed. Toyota spokesman Rick Hesterberg said:

"We are and will continue to investigate this thoroughly, but currently we do not believe that any supplier data or proprietary information has been distributed."

- ZDNet

 

HERE'S MORE:

 

Judge stops ex-Toyota worker from leaving country

Updated 12:47 p.m., Monday, August 27, 2012

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) — A federal judge has ordered a former computer programmer for Toyota from leaving the United States while the company investigates the damage done by an alleged computer hacking incident.

U.S. District Judge Karen Caldwell in Lexington also ordered Ibrahimshah Shahulhameed of Georgetown, Ky., to forfeit any information and data he took from the computer system of Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing North America.

In a lawsuit filed in federal court in Lexington, Toyota alleged that Shahulhameed illegally accessed the website www.toyotasupplier.com after being dismissed from his contract position on Thursday. The company claims Shahulhameed reset the website and computer system to automatically crash.

Rick Hesterberg, a Toyota Motor Manufacturing spokesman, said the company is still gathering facts in the case.

"This is an ongoing investigation involving a former contractor," Hesterberg told The Associated Press.

Efforts to locate Shahulhameed were not immediately successful Monday afternoon.

Shahulhameed worked on contract as a computer programmer for Toyota until being let go on Thursday. At that point, Toyota alleged, Shahulhameed, a native of India, accessed Toyota's internal computer system without authorization and copied, downloaded and possibly disseminated trade secrets and proprietary information. Included in that information was pricing information, quality testing data and parts testing data, Toyota's attorney, Mindy Barfield, wrote in the complaint.

"If this information were disseminated to competitors or otherwise made public, it would be highly damaging to Toyota, and its suppliers, causing immediate and irreparable damage," Barfield wrote.

Toyota claims that Shahulhameed spent more than six hours inside the computer system's firewall on Thursday and Friday. Toyota also said Shahulhameed reprogrammed at least 13 applications the computer system in an effort to cause it to crash.

Barfield wrote that Shahulhameed also removed critical security certifications on the company's internal server, causing the programs to become inoperable.

Barfield was unsure how long it would take for Toyota's technology department to repair the damage. The website www.toyotasupplier.com serves as a portal for current suppliers to Toyota, as well as a place for companies seeking to do business with Toyota to find information and work in a potential deal. As of Monday afternoon, the site appeared to be working.

"(Shahulhameed) had no authority to access or use Toyota's property or trade secrets and it is undisputed that he did access it and altered computer programs and codes," Barfield wrote.

Caldwell, in an order issued Saturday, barred Shahulhameed from traveling out of the country for 14 days. Caldwell noted that Shahulhameed had planned to leave the United States and return to India for an undetermined amount of time.

Shahulhameed was also required to post $2,500 bond, which he did Monday.

Toyota is seeking unspecified compensatory and punitive damages from Shahulhameed.

 


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United States rantidote
September 2. 2012 05:31
rantidote

I guess he thought he was still in India.


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United States James
September 2. 2012 05:41
James

This is what happens when highly developed nations import millions of criminals from the 3rd world in order to get cheap labor.

CHEAP LABOR COMES AT A COST, NAMELY THEFT OF TRADE SECRETS, SABOTAGE, AND CRIMINALITY.

When will the civilized world and dumb American biz managers learn that There's No Such Thing As A Free Lunch!

Until we deport this army of criminals, America's economy will never recover.


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United States Rainman
September 2. 2012 06:10
Rainman

Used to work at a Public warehouse some time ago that was staffed with illegal Mexicans.

Our company, alone, had 100k+ worth of shrink; other retailers were experiencing the same issues.  I eventually caught what was going on; their inventory system had 2 bugs, one that would cause things to disappear that were still in inventory but were old, one that would cause them to lose inventory on receipt, marking it not on their inventory system but marking it received on ours.

We caught one of them who was putting in orders for themselves, misshipping very expensive product to drop locations.  That individual, last I heard, was merely fired and not put in jail, not even deported.

After-all, if they told the cops they were illegal, well.  Then the cops might use that to get a search warrant and then the game is up.

Lawlessness breeds lawlessness.  There wasn't much anyone can do in a situation like that when the business heads don't want to press charges.  Are gangs involved?  Where there's one rat there's always more.

I work for a power company now; they outsource everything to do with IT.

If you are not paying your IT Outsourcing partner more money than your competition, they will sell you out.  End, Of, Story.


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Kuwait Anonymous
September 2. 2012 13:22
Anonymous

Why am I not as shocked or surprised as any normal person should be?

Recently when some Indians ( converted muslims of India ) belonging to banned terrorist outfit called SIMI were arrested Indian sleuths were aghast almost speechless. Btw , these terrorist organizations are "banned" allegedly only to hoodwink the Americans into believing congress party including the leftists & various flotsam & jetsam (all of them are corrupt , communal & muslim appeasers as they simply CANNOT survive without oxygen supply from them i.,e. VOTES)Today Kasab is needlessly being pounced upon to be hanged soon. Kasab is NOT the actual criminal but congress members of Parliament including P Chidambaram & their various allies who have wantonly conferred bonafide citizenship rights on a plethora of bangladeshi muslims all over India.

On SIMI activists arrest , Police found out most of them are brilliantly tech savvy. So much so after emailing etc could easily erase their entire identities & all details from computer network. Indian Establishment & various politicians like Mulayam , Laloo , Mamata , Karunanidhi Stalin of DMK etc etc are all covert & overt appeasers of muslims vote bank. They need to be PUNISHED pronto by America , Europe , Australia & ISRAEL.

Certainly not Kasab and/or Afzal Guru.


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Kuwait Anonymous
September 2. 2012 13:37
Anonymous

Btw , these terrorist organizations are "banned" allegedly only to hoodwink the Americans into believing congress party including the leftists & various flotsam & jetsam (all of them are corrupt , communal & muslim appeasers as they simply CANNOT survive without oxygen supply from them i.,e. VOTES) that India is a dependable ally of America in this war against terrorism , suicide bomb attacks etc.

NEVER EVER trust Indians whatever be their religion should be hardwired into America , ISRAEL & Europe also GULF countries who are sincere allies of America.

India will nod & nod but continue its unholy relationship with anti ISRAEL Iran only because it is the huge multitudinous POLITICIANS of India that avail themselves of excessive quotas of cooking gas cylinders , free air travel all of them purposeless free gallivanting. Too many cars all FREE for those members of Parliament & Legislative Assemblies of various States of India.Petrol FREE .

President of India ALSO has lots of the above mentioned cylinders etc all FREE.
Cricketer Sachin Tendulkar already a multi billionire by donning the mantle of Rajya Sabha member has access to all of such needless goodies FREE.

Instead of admitting this stark truth would pontificate insolently to America (read Republicans) " India has   ancient ties with Persia ( IRAN)" stupefying America with some long dead historical petty details.

Please do not fall into this treacherous trap.A lot of Indians are anti ISRAEL & anti JEWS. America can trust Saudi Arabia , UAE , KUWAIT , China , Oman but certainly not India & Bangladesh.


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Kuwait Anonymous
September 2. 2012 13:51
Anonymous

Let me give you another potent example to show religion does not necessarily impact these Indians' character.

The land belonging to my Paternal Grandparents ( V.P.Sivaramakrishnan & S.Rajam & their ONLY son late S.Janakiraman) which was so woefully belatedly bequeathed to me willy nilly by my so called brothers & sisters ( Mohan , Bala , Bhanumathi Das Sharma & Mira) has ALREADY been occupied by unscrupulous thugs belonging to DMK party of Tamil Nadu. I was rattled to find not one but various claimants to MY land with forged documents , registration certificates. One of them even managed to procure an Indian MUSLIM woman to append my Hindu name Rajalakshmi as hers. Thus posturing as Rajalakshmi. In return would have got a hefty bribe I am sure.

I dare not question as she & her supporters would scream {{'jihad''ZIONISM' 'Brahmin/Imperialism/Hegemony/haves versus have nots)) yadayada.

All that America needs to do is cut through all of such useless wordy shibboleth & PUNISH liars & cheats among Indians.

Not Kasab and/or Afzal Guru.


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United States Tipster
September 2. 2012 20:31
Tipster

More incidents like this, either deliberate or by incompetence need to happen. This seems the only way that US industry will get the message that "you get what you pay for". The damage caused wipes out and then some "savings" they thought they would get by outsourcing critical software infrastructure and development.


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United States James
September 3. 2012 09:39
James

Even Tired picked up on it:

www.wired.com/.../

One does have to wonder how much more the Japanese will take from these asshioles.

First they are nice enough to go spend their $ building a car plant in Japan, AND teaching the slumdogs how cars work - then the Indiot assholes burn the plant down in thanks.

Now Toyota which is still recovering from the Lehman Shock and plummeting demand in N America thanks to slumdog griftology is nice enough to give them jobs and this is how they thank THEM.

The Japanese are putting on a brave face and trying to go along with globalization to get along, but there is a limit to what they will take. Unlike in USA, failure is not tolerated in Japan.

Pretty soon we'll see Japan dump every slumdog asshole they can out of their country.

Just wait til the Japanese unemployment rate starts going up like here due to shitbrained slumdogs - you'lll see the doors CLOSE REAL QUICK. I've been to Japan 5 times, trust me.


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United States gousa
September 3. 2012 11:29
gousa

Indeed, after billions are extorted and ripped off in trade secrets and once the dumb ass CEOs and CIOs are held accountable for hiring the illegal criminal H1b from India will things ever change.


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United States db
September 3. 2012 11:37
db

We all know the big companies love to hire slave labor either from across the border or from other countries. Doesn't do a lot to protect average Americans or uphold ethics, but those aren't really the goals here as we can see from this story.


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Kuwait Anonymous
September 3. 2012 13:09
Anonymous

One grave canard various NGOs funded by the affluent West propagate like that infamous Nobel Prize conferred Amartya Sen is that "oh so many poor- dispossessed- denied equal rights-illiterate-denied proper schooling-caught in miserable casteism yadayada need to be uplifted-empowered for this world to be made Utopian....".

NOT AT ALL. Poverty in India is something assiduously nurtured by communal criminalised corrupt congress party , communists as their slogan is "garibi hatao" ( "we shall wipe out poverty should you elect us in five years time"). Kudos to China that has long seen through Indians. Many beggars among Indians not only own gold but private properties also.Most of these alleged poor are full of guile & craftily street smart. They are not cherubic angels in need of upliftment. The alleged elite end up needlessly flagellating themselves.

It is worth remembering Sri.Ramakrishna Paramahamsar's succinct observation:-

" Certain germs thrive & flourish in putrefying excreta. Only the fools called social reformers/do gooders would hasten to transfer them to fragrant sandalwood paste which is inimical to the germs. The precious sandalwood paste also gets rendered useless & toxic ".


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Canada ezygoer
September 3. 2012 13:49
ezygoer

ok so is it a bigger crime now that he was an Indian contract programmer ? Could have been done by anyone with a grudge. At least he did not head down to the local gun store and return to put down a few at Toyota. Isn't Toyota also at fault for not securing their IT infrastructure especially when using foreign contract workers to save a few bucks ?  


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United States Dean
September 4. 2012 01:07
Dean

I think the big take-away point here, is that this whole con-job that's been done on Americans, all revolves around spouting this b/s that hindoo-doo's are so magical and terrific and smart and work for cheap and are reliable and blah, blah, blah, blah. That's the whole foundation for convincing "us" that it's ok to put American taxpayers - the ones who paid for all of this great Country - out of work, because the slummy's are so efficient and awesome, that it will free us up to do bigger and better things. But now, we find out that they aren't anything like what they were chalked up to be, in fact they are much worse. And on top of all of that, alot of them are outright theives and scammers. In the end, it's all a bunch of bullshit. They aren't better or cheaper than hardworking Americans; rather, they are almost always worse, and alot of times they are somewhere between much,much worse and abominal.  So to that I say, there's really foundation for bringing over a bunch no/low-skilled filthy conmen for the purpose of taking American jobs...


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Kuwait Anonymous
September 5. 2012 15:42
Anonymous

Some more facts very important for USA.

Indian kollywood pornstar kamal hassan ( alleged tambram Iyengar) once on a televised interview told bollywood's Pallavi Joshi:-

" I renounced my religion at a very young age ".

In India only ISLAM & churchianity get revered. That is called 'SECULARISM' in GODFORSAKEN india.

This kamal hassan has a very cosy nexus with DMK a criminalised corrupt political party that is a staunch ally of congress.DMK virtually controls  film industry , mass media , telecommunications , granite , sand quarrying , smuggling , Hindu Temples plundering , housing , landgrabbing and so forth. It is an open secret DMK offered hard cash to win votes thus electing themselves to power repeatedly. Aided & abetted by equally CRIMINALISED corrupt unscrupulous Congress party of India.

Kamal Hassan's niece called Anu Hasan ( now she has become Anu Graham by marrying an investment banker called Graham belonging to UK & shunts between LONDON & India) was hosting a show called 'Coffee with Anu ' on Vijay Tv another channel notorious for denigrating Hindus & promoting churchianity etc etc.

On Divali ( Hindus ' religious festival) this Anu Hassan (Anu Graham) choreographed a sickeningly cloying show urinating undeserved  compliments on this very kamal hassan calling him 'ulaganayakan'( means emperor of this world) repeatedly. Suhasini Manirathnam another cousin of this kamal hassan incredibly rich travels routinely to AMERICA along with one muslim doctorate called Parveen Sultana ( tamil speaking professor but muslim) doing lots of "charities" to Indian diaspora in AMERICA. Supported financially by many belonging to kollywood film industry.

It is PRECISELY these unscrupulous Indians who stand behind Obama & his Democratic party. It is all convoluted but what I have written is all true. Indians manipulate your elections in America. Engineering Obama's victory. Basically these Indian scum are ANTI AMERICAN.

The same Anu Hassan while marrying British Graham however insisted on a propah Hindu Vedic Rites orchestrated wedding attended by all of their clan including pornstar kamalhassan etc. Even before hooking British investment banker these Anu , Kamalhassans etc were all alleged brahmins , freedom fighters eating BEEF,PORK, CHICKEN, FISH, MUTTON & alcohol. Incidentally Anu Hassan was a divorcee before marrying Graham. Her first husband is an Indian Armyman.  


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Kuwait Anonymous
September 5. 2012 16:09
Anonymous

This kollywood's Kamal Hassan ( that unscrupulous thug keeps changing the spelling of his name at times a single 's' if not double. Also haasan or hasan no end to their deceit & posturings) is a consummate diabloical CHEAT CRIMINAL.

Under fictitious names he floated many chit fund schemes offering exorbitant interest to gullible Indians ( mostly middle class) in clear violation of Reserve Bank of India's rules. With the money thus amassed financed his movies. On being declared "blockbusters" he would donate some tricycles to physically handicapped. Organize blood donation camps with lot of publicity. Tamil tabloids exist only to apotheosize this THUG of kollywood.

Many of the depositors committed suicides. Their lives were ruined. This malicious indescribably cruel kamal hassan made a tearjerker called MAHANADI ( a tamil movie ) precisely dealing with the wretched lot of one such middle class family swindled. Where the young daughter ends up in a brothel in Calcutta (kolkata) & the son gets abducted & lost.

People in high places know of all such fraudulent malpractices. Such is the gorement of india & its collision politics ( government of india & coalition politics). I request USA to take the help of Sri.Dawood Ibrahim , Mujahideens etc & pulverize all these rotten scoundrels of India.

They constitute the most potent toxic threat to this entire world.
In one stroke all problems like food scarcity , water scarcity , poverty unemployment, pollution etc can be effortlessly solved for GOOD by America.
Indian lawyers , judges , legislators ---all of them are rotten to the core.

It has always been total chaos among Indians & India. DO NOT TRUST THEM.


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Kuwait Anonymous
September 5. 2012 17:00
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Do not trust this traitorous criminalised communal corrupt ARROGANT congress party , its allies including DMK of Tamil Nadu. Indian Establishment exists & serves only the interests of converted muslims & christians of India.

The converted muslims of India have the entire UMMAH to provide support for them. The kollywood rotten scoundrel kamal hassan having a cosy nexus with DMK & DK party wrote an utterly scurrilous blasphemous song for his movie Manmadhan Ambu with Trisha ( another slut who won some beauty contest) addressing Hindu God Sri.Ranganathar of SriRangam , His Consort Varalakshmi ( unprintable ). Hindu Munnani made him delete that song. However kamalhassan the scoundrel managed to broadcast that song all over Middle East , America etc . Relished by his fans calling themselves indian diaspora.
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There are many hydra headed churchianity peddlers WITHIN India sporting even Hindu names like Thirunavukkarasu , Damayanthi , Nalayani , Aruldas , Robert Thyagarajan , (ex president perjuror KR Narayan married to a Burmese wife is a potent specimen) Ajit Jogi , Samuel Rajasekara Reddy who was incinerated by Lord Venkateshvara , wearing kumkum , mangal sutra playing carnatic musical instruments like Veena , stealing Bharathanatyam , Carnatic Classical compostions of our TRINITY ( jesudas keralite christian , mano of kollywood ) kamalhassan the most virulently anti Vedic , anti Hindu traitor who brazenly chooses Hindu phrases & names like Dasavatharam , Visvaroopam , Anbae Ssivam yada yada.

Everything only proves most of these Indians are colossal CHEATS. Full of deceit & duplicitous. Whatever be their religion , food preferences most of them are not worth befriending & empowering.The danger being they are so influential , micromanaging affairs , opinions you Americans can never fathom. As they speak different languages often talking through their hatless hats.

Mainstream media & NGOs invariably mislead you. You can outsource their punishment to plucky CHINA also. No problem.


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Kuwait Anonymous
September 5. 2012 17:01
Anonymous

Do not trust this traitorous criminalised communal corrupt ARROGANT congress party , its allies including DMK of Tamil Nadu. Indian Establishment exists & serves only the interests of converted muslims & christians of India.

The converted muslims of India have the entire UMMAH to provide support for them. The kollywood rotten scoundrel kamal hassan having a cosy nexus with DMK & DK party wrote an utterly scurrilous blasphemous song for his movie Manmadhan Ambu with Trisha ( another slut who won some beauty contest) addressing Hindu God Sri.Ranganathar of SriRangam , His Consort Varalakshmi ( unprintable ). Hindu Munnani made him delete that song. However kamalhassan the scoundrel managed to broadcast that song all over Middle East , America etc . Relished by his fans calling themselves indian diaspora.



There are many hydra headed churchianity peddlers WITHIN India sporting even Hindu names like Thirunavukkarasu , Damayanthi , Nalayani , Aruldas , Robert Thyagarajan , (ex president perjuror KR Narayan married to a Burmese wife is a potent specimen) Ajit Jogi , Samuel Rajasekara Reddy who was incinerated by Lord Venkateshvara , wearing kumkum , mangal sutra playing carnatic musical instruments like Veena , stealing Bharathanatyam , Carnatic Classical compostions of our TRINITY ( jesudas keralite christian , mano of kollywood ) kamalhassan the most virulently anti Vedic , anti Hindu traitor who brazenly chooses Hindu phrases & names like Dasavatharam , Visvaroopam , Anbae Ssivam yada yada.

Everything only proves most of these Indians are colossal CHEATS. Full of deceit & duplicitous. Whatever be their religion , food preferences most of them are not worth befriending & empowering.The danger being they are so influential , micromanaging affairs , opinions you Americans can never fathom. As they speak different languages often talking through their hatless hats.

Mainstream media & NGOs invariably mislead you. You can outsource their punishment to plucky CHINA also. No problem.


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Kuwait Anonymous
September 5. 2012 20:13
Anonymous

India's own regional newspapers have reported Indians are overwhelmingly contributing to Obama & NOT to Republicans' Romney.

Where do these Indians get their money from ? Confiscate their savings etc , disenfranchise them & ensure only Republicans win.
Only because Indians' money / wealth is tainted. Accumulated by unethical means.
Learn from the Arabs. Do not treat them as equals.

A strong America is needed for the well being of not just India but the entire world at large.


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Kuwait Anonymous
September 6. 2012 14:57
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Congress & its P Chidambaram  purposely instigated large scale riots & arson by vain toying with  Telangana issue in Andhra Pradesh. Congress has consistently been INSINCERE. Bringing in worthless actor Chiranjeevi of Andhra who brought out posters of Teresa the GHOUL long dead & trying the well worn churchianity ploy. Incidentally Suhasini Manirathnam of kollywood has always been very close to this Chiranjeevi. She had absolutely no great promise or success as an actress. It was this Andhra Chiranjeevi who took care of her film career.

Subsequently Chiranjeevi offered this Suhasini some plum post as NGO blahblah in his party.

The entire manirathnam clan & kamalhassan alleged brahmins are virulently anti Vedic. Anti Hindu leftists. Suhasini's only son is a communist.

No wonder manirathnam & family came up with a ludicrously audaciously worthless distortion of Ramayanam starring aishwarya , abhishek.

The entire bollykolly scum like the above remind me of the houseflies described by Sri.Ramakrishna Paramahamsar.
"The flies alight with the same insouciance on uncovered prasad of Eashvar & putrefying excreta too. Whereas the honeybees are focussed exclusively on nectar bearing flowers".




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Kuwait Anonymous
September 6. 2012 15:12
Anonymous

It is Sri.Swapan Dasgupta who has accurately diagnosed the malady afflicting us Indians:-

" The tendency to lower the bar of expectations has become so marked in India that you merely have to step over a monsoon puddle before the flatterers begin comparing you to Jesse Owens and Bob Beamon ".

India as a nation has always been known for its tilting towards communism , socialistic biases. Its laid back approach , apathy , anarchy but very fond of basking in reflected glory of past long dead. That Manmohan Singh is inept is known to the few discerning among Indians.

But Narasimha Rao also was in no way some great lateral thinking economist who dared to veer from the beaten track. Things were so dismal then so called "reforms " HAD to be introduced. It was a choiceless choice.

Only Sri.Narendra Modi has been the original thinker & pioneer in post independent India who deserves our unalloyed adulation.


Smt.Jayalalithaa  is another  such rare gem who is truly capable of delivering. However the toxic congress , DMK & leftists ought to be thoroughly disabled for her to function at her optimum best.

People of Tamil Nadu are not the same as Gujarathis I always maintain. Ungrateful , addicted to alcohol , illicit liquor brewing , anti Vedic , atheistic , worshippers of tawdry movies & lecherous filmstars. It was DMK party that literally gobbled up enormous amounts of money sent by some unknown European stranger ( not any useless pretentious Indian NRI but European European ( some European white woman who has never visited India but fell in love with Lord Sri.Ram by her indepth reading & understanding of Ramayanam that she fell in love with the very Lord Sri.Ram sent her savings without even disclosing her name & details ) for Sri.Ram of Ramesvaram Temple by diverting it to power sector. Masses overwhelmingly cheered DMK for this brazen loot.

No wonder it is Sri.Ram's WILL they deserve power cuts , cholera , accidents & misery.





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Canada ezygoer
September 7. 2012 12:02
ezygoer

Hey Anon,

Take your shit about India somewhere else. What's relevant is that it's an emerging third world country with a per capita of $3500.
Indian programmers make around $8500 per year which in turn makes Corp. America money either by outsourcing to India or by bringing into the US. Both are to the detriment of the US techie. So it's a labor arbitrage game played by Corp. America and what can be done about it ? Corp. America is more culpable than India Inc. and if this board can make Corp. America change it's way of thinking then it's worth it.


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United States rantidote
September 9. 2012 12:53
rantidote

Ezygoer:

Anon is a NASSCOM plant trying to disrupt tunnel rat's blog, not some disturbed housewife. It's a low tech denial of service attack flooding the comments with inane text. You pay some desperate beggar a bowl of rice each day in Bangalore to keep typing. Every once in a while another NASSCOM plant chimes in with indignation to make the first plant seem real. This is how it works.


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Kuwait Anonymous
September 9. 2012 13:15
Anonymous

Like a typical indian copycat you have purloined my " Hey...(ezygoer) ".

When you presumptuous alleged non shithead consider my comments housewifean why read & get perturbed enough to respond ? Focus on your numbers crunching & backstabbing & frontal stabbing of America.

What kind of worthless programmers you & your cheerleaders must be to not remember this blog belongs to American Tunnel Rat.


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Kuwait Anonymous
September 9. 2012 13:32
Anonymous

ezygoer is a potent example of the typical untrustworthy multiforked tongued Indian.

It is Indians who like to harp on "we -are-the -oldest-greatestest-civilization-the entire world- owes everything to us the discoverers of ZERO yadayada". They also whine " we are the emerging third world-we need a level playing field- it is your responsibility to uplift us". They will mention a solitary Macaulay and/or Karl Marx very conveniently shifting the blame on UK, Europe , America , Russia , China & Heavenly Bodies.

Just the other day I read some unmanned contraption of Anna University makes a good assessment of granite deposits etc stolen , existing , quarried etc. And that America has appreciated the Indians involved in designing.I wonder how much of it is truly indigenous as unmanned spacecrafts etc have been pioneered by the West. ( Jingoistic filmstarsworshipping indians , spare me your diatribe on Puranams & Pushpaka Vimanam).

Such a lot of comments have poured in full of anti American bluster like:-

" ourr india is so great blahblah don't ever share it with Americans ".

This ingratitude & hubris suffice to derail Indians & India. They lack gravitas & don't deserve to be pitied , empowered.


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United States James
September 10. 2012 10:23
James

Americans and the rest of the western world are still waiting for India and China to deliver on their promises of "extreme economic benefits" of 14 years ago and actually provide some benefits to the world economy. So far it's been nothing but down, down, down, downhill with these people. The world doesn't need thieves running it. Put Americans back in charge and watch what happens.


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Canada ezygoer
September 10. 2012 13:23
ezygoer

I really dont care much about India and Anon's rants about it - it's a country like any other with it's flaws and good things.

However with the visa programs attracting a significant number from there one has to look at the main selling points which are not really true except for the cost factor and profits for Corp. America which again is not a bad thing if it were not at the expense of the local workforce. Also tax write-offs which brings up the deficit as the government has to borrow more from China and the rest of the world to sustain itself.  


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Singapore how indians operate
September 10. 2012 23:23
how indians operate

This is what indians aim to accomplish

www.youtube.com/watch


If any other person does such thing from Europe,Whole india erupts but to indians this is not racism


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Kuwait Anonymous
September 11. 2012 02:39
Anonymous

James states:-

" Put Americans back in charge and watch what happens".

EXACTLY. I have made myself very clear I want America , ISRAEL , Japan & Europe  (Germany , UK etc) to take over administration , governance preceded ofcourse by PUNISHMENT & FUMIGATION of the rotten corrupt good for nothing scoundrels called Indians. Such Indians are ubiquitous in Gulf countries also. It is only Indians who have polluted Arab countries with their negativities like bribery , nepotism, cheating & lies. Ill qualified incompetent doctors , nurses , teachers accountants--all Indians.

It is pointless looking for evidence & instituting court cases appointing lawyers to argue.America will never succeed that way.Indian Establishment & all the institutions presided over by them are all rotten to the core. Arab countries like Kuwait , UAE etc are far far superior in governance , law & order.

Who else but CHINA alone can PUNISH these hubris filled deceitful Indians?
In the name of protectionism & level playing field don't make the grave mistake of setting up manufacturing units within India & generating employment for them. They are just not worth it. Japanese have had their fingers very badly singed.
Indians are mostly communists. Slothful , indolent lecherous gluttonous parasites looking for everything FREE.

It is presumptuous clueless Obama emboldened by arrogant Indians who is again at his useless campaigning with his nauseating swagger asking " give me another chance ". I am alarmed as this " give me another chance" is so much Indianish. Not at all AMERICAN.  




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Kuwait Anonymous
September 11. 2012 02:43
Anonymous

" I really dont care much about India and Anon's rants about it "

Comment of ezygoer an Indian.

What more proof do you want Indians are liars. Shameless utterly shameless liars.
ezygoer has been the idiotically mulish indian reading all my posts & hounding me with vacuous whinings. Now says " I really dont care much about India and Anon's rants about it ".


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Kuwait Anonymous
September 11. 2012 03:01
Anonymous

Another alarming news about India.

India always has a love hate relationship towards rest of the countries.
Indian establishment with its ridiculous swadeshi chants & jingoistic claptrap (DMK  very much the cculpable as congress & leftists of India) has been promoting high school education in regional language ( Tamil) in Tamil Nadu. Most of them are touted to be brilliant students the movers & shakers of the future world widely feted in newspapers of having scored hundred upon hundred.And get admitted into various engineering colleges.By dint of quotas & reservations.

For the first time they come into contact with English in college & struggle bewildered.The policymakers are unfazed. The teachers of such colleges stupidly argue:-

" No problem; we also don't speak Shakespearean English...language is not important in engineering , medicine etc..."

Mastery over language & communication skills are of paramount importance.
One such medical grad in a hospital wheels a patient towards the wrong room mentioning "autopsy" instead of "biopsy". Now you understand the grave perils involved.

No wonder as a citizen I seldom understand what gobbledygook the prime ministers & presidents spout all done in boring Hindi.

Whereas a George Bush could captivate all with simple effective English.
Pakistan's Musharraf soke with conviction while addressing his nation.
English is something that one just CANNOT afford to overlook & spurn.

Only such engineers, doctors& teachers of India have been flooding your country America , Canada & Middle East.


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United States dean
September 11. 2012 03:08
dean

indians are not cheaper, it's a myth and an illusion that's been sold and sold and sold again; it's not true...period. I would say it's not even true in the short run, although in short run it does allow some companies to exploit the lack of awareness and understanding to make a quick buck ( indian body shops in particular ). That's probably the only "benefit", and even that is very limited in scope and duration. The lie that indians are "better", "more efficient", "work harder for cheaper", etc, isn't any more true than the lie that you can sell tons of subprime mortgages and you'll never have a problem because house prices will keep going up forever, OR the lie that you can have a dot-com company that doesn't have any net income but it's not a problem because their revenue is fantastic ( like if I had a company that gave away a dollar for every 50-cent I took in ). The same goes for indian IT workers in spades; if they were evern half as good as they say, I would be out of a job tomorrow and forever and I would no way be able to get the good rates I demand. And even if they do cost less per hour, it's only because you are getting much, much less in terms of quality and production. Paying less and getting less is not saving money; paying less and getting the same and/or better is saving money.
The con job is a complete lie...


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Canada ezygoer
September 11. 2012 12:07
ezygoer

China and India have delivered to Corp. America "extreme labor" arbitrage opportunities with armies of low cost labor.

So the Apple worker at Foxconn slaves away for the most valuable firm on the planet @ 250$/month. How many who visit this blog have backed up the truck with Apple stock ?

The Indian IT sweatshop "delivers value" to Corp. America for about $15/hour, sometimes costing upto 3 times more due to shoddy delivery of work!

Who really is bothered about the plight of the displaced American worker ?
  


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Kuwait Anonymous
September 11. 2012 16:25
Anonymous

@dean ,

Thank God you understand & convey with such lucidity.

I hope America listens to dean & James alone.
( Ignore & spurn ezygoer & indians)



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United States James
September 12. 2012 09:48
James

"shoddy delivery of work"

Shoddy work? Oh I am SO shocked? I thought all Indians were super-geniuses the world can't get along without? Do you mean to tell me that the country that can't produce enough toilets for its people can't keep the American and world economies going either?

I am SHOCKED. I thought they all produced super-awesome great, unbeatable quality that would bring America an even bigger economic boom than Americans created in the late 1990s. You mean we were lied to?

No wonder Indiots like that conman ANIL BHAVNANI got deported and kicked back to India. He works at Yahoo! India now. Oh wait....... Yahoo! is in trouble and going under!

I AM SHOCKED.


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