NASSCOM Agent Vivek Wadhwa Freaks Out At Brookings Panel

As a sofftware developer with 20 years' experience, I sent Bernstein an email challenging him and Fraudhwa to a debate on stage. He never responded. Why not? What are these people so afraid of? Are they really that insecure about their positions that they won't even debate a lowly American tech worker - the person who deals with this every day on the front lines as well as the person who has the most real information about what is really going on.

How come in every one of these debates you NEVER see an American tech worker? Ever.

Why not?

TR Sir,Mark my words outsourcing is on its last legs,no matter who says what.

Hira should sue Wadhwa's ass for defamation for that "nut case" statement. What a totally classless moron. Why does this guy get called to public forums ? He has the speaking capacity of a high school dropout and the tact and manners to match. How much does he get paid as a shill for these corporations ? It would be interesting to see his bank deposit transactions.

James
You are a coward and not worth debating. Go back to Poland and clean toilets. Leave slum dogs alone  !!!!!!

@Slumdog

How about some rantidote humor:

Why do Indians bring cows into their houses to bless them with a pile of manure?

Because elephants don't fit through the door.

"Brookings H-1B Report Draws Criticism"

www.computerworld.com/.../Brookings_H_1B_report_draws_criticism

Unlike Twaddle-wah, Hira focuses on the report.

This Wadhwa guy disgusts me, it's nothing but propaganda and the same lame garbage that you see posted by some nobody every few weeks: Corporations can't find good talent blah blah blah even with record unemployment, we need to raise visa caps and make it easier for "highly skilled immigrants" (right...) to come here, etc. etc. just a broken record.

However, we as the resistance need to STOP continually referencing Indians, and especially stop using such language as "slumdogs" and the like; it makes us look bad and gives the opposition a way to dismiss us as lunatics by playing the xenophobe/racist card.  Even though it's true that we are experiencing an ethnic cleansing, we can't be using that sort of language on public forums or in the comments of these fraudulent articles, or it helps just to discredit us.  People can't argue with facts, but they can easily sway the average sheep that you're some fringe nut by pointing out derogatory statements or continued references to Indians solely as the problem.

Not saying we can't still fight the good fight, but we can't give our enemies more ammunition to point at us and say "Don't listen to these guys, they're just racists because they hate Indians".

Ok - he completely lost me at the H1B program being about 'getting the best and brightest'.  We are NOT getting smarter, better trained or more skilled - we are getting liars, weak skilled and untrained H1Bs. Sorry. This guy is using a lot of words that do not follow a coherent stream of thought and reciting buzzwords. So tell me, what exactly is he getting out of this and how? Would his finances stand up to an audit?

How can Fraudhwa explain the scores of Indian housewives in NJ, Virginia, Atlanta, Texas etc in IT under the H1-B program ? Are they the talent that will uplift America ? Or the pliant labor that Corp. America wants to pad up their bottom lines ?

To bring real talent from around the world if the US needs it there has to be another program not the H1_B or L1. This only brings 98% of just about average "grunts" and a few brilliant ones who are not all the world's best by any standards !! The Indian housewives have never touched a keyboard until landing in America - that's how ridiculous and funny this is and all to the detriment of the American worker !!

TR  needs to take Wayne's advice and leave desis alone

btw  James is beyond hope.  One of these days , he is gonna die of heart-attack because of hatred fueled blood pressure.

Slum Dogs are here to Stay !!  If you don't like it , you can pack your bags and go back to europe where your criminal ancestors came from.

Bhenchod  Maderchod  James  !!!

@Wayne

You sound just like a PBS pledge break host. If facts mattered, this would have been over long ago, and I hope that isn't your real picture, because the Indians are going to teach you a lesson about "the good fight". The race card is going to get played against you whether you deserve it or not.

You will ALSO note that Fraudwha constantly says "Over here" - a surefire giveaway that his allegiances lie with the shithole subcontinent, not with the USA. He almost sounds like a NY mobster.

If he is a US citizen and is fully allegiant to USA, then why does he keep saying "Over here"? My guess is he's been flying one too many times to NASSCOM headquarters in India and taking one too many orders (and paychecks) from these greasy clowns. He could in fact be a long term industrial spy or ISS infiltrator since he was born in Pakistan. I sure hope the FBI/CIA/DHS is wiretapping this guy's phone and listening in on every call he makes back to the homeland.

Just from his speech alone it's clear he is working for someone else and is only in America to cause trouble. He should have his citizenship stripped under NDAA/Patriot Act and deported IMMEDIATELY.

And I disagree we shouldn't call them slumdogs because:

1) That is what they are.

2) Even Indians made their own movie called "Slumdog Millionaire".

3) Most Americans could care less about the "racist" thing. These people we are importing and the most vehement anti-white, anti-American people you could ever imagine.

Ethnic Cleansing is all they understand and since they are doing it to us, we can do it right back to them.

What goes around, comes around. Karma's a bitch.

The time for being nice is over. We've tried that and it doesn't work. Unless we expose these conjobs for the vehement racists they are, nothing's ever going to change.

The point is more to not give them ammunition to dismiss your posts as being racist nonsense.  The reality is that people (as in the average person) will NOT listen to what we have to say if we are perceived to be bigots, no matter if we're speaking the truth or not.  It's not "leave Desis alone", it's bring people's attention to the problem (e.g. visa fraud, false reports about shortages) but DON'T make it to be only because these people are Indian, otherwise you lose credibility with the same people you want to listen to you!

They might play the racist/xenophobe card regardless, but it's just hurting everyone if you give them a reason to dismiss your post by playing the race card, because somebody who would otherwise agree won't just because they don't want to be called a racist too.

www.itbusinessedge.com/.../?cs=50850

Infosys case heads to final trial...


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@Wayne,

I applaud you for your efforts, but it's no use.  I tried to make the same argument but it falls on deaf ears.

That picture should be captioned (with apologies to James Joyce)

"A Portrait of the Fraud as a Pudgy Middle Aged Man"

@Wayne

Would you remember Palestine if they had been polite for 70 years? The score is Indians 10 Americans 0. You really should find another cause, because you aren't up for the fight ahead.

I am an Indian and I completely agree with the articles and comments of this blog. I spent several years trying to understand the flaws in Indian society, I always felt depressed when things do not work in India, for eg. exam results are announced but the college website is down. Passport website giving some php error, Indian railway reservation is buggy, you go to bank and they say systems are down come after 2 hours, you get wrong telephone billing and you have to spend several hours fighting for your right, my voter ID card has misspelled name, wrong date of birth entered on my passport, and the list goes on.

I read several ancient texts to find out how was our society organized in ancient India and also modern works on eugenics. India is infested with what is called "low caste people". Its wrong to believe that all men are equal. Read the works of Manu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manusm%E1%B9%9Bti especially the two points worth mentioning are:

1. Division of Hindu society into four varnas on the basis of birth. Out of these only the first three, namely, Brahmins, Kshatriya and Vaishya, who are collectively known as dwija (twice-born) are entitled to upanayan and the study of the Vedas. Shudras as well as women of dwija varnas are denied the right to study.
2. Assigning different duties and occupations for different varnas. This is to be enforced strictly by the king. According to Manusmriti, if a person of lower caste adopts the occupation of a higher caste, the king ought to deprive him of all his property and expel him from his kingdom.

I think there were class of people who were outright denied the right to study because ancient indian knew that these people cannot learn, they cannot do any task honestly and perfectly. So even the kings banned these people. But now the story is totally different, these people get admission to colleges even if they score zero marks www.ndtv.com/.../zero-in-exam-can-still-get-you-admission-in-andhra-pradesh-241083

Even thought India has banned caste system I think all other countries should close their borders from letting these low caste Indians enter other countries. They multiply and multiply and multiply and one day whole world will get infected and become stupid.

@SlumLord

"Slum Dogs are here to Stay!"

Frank Sinatra, 1948

Slum Dogs are here to Stay
From woe they will not stray
with cats to their left and rats to their right
their faces they make such a horrible sight!
Them Slum Dogs are here to stay!
Get out the way they're here to stay -ya ya ya ya!

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HAHAHAHA

Clock made by Indian software engineers. sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/.../...9603_620269560_n.jpg

I don't really think this is a "friendly war", and as such I don't believe any rules apply. These con-men are here to take what's yours - and they're desperte and having nothing to loose and everything to gain, the exact opposite of our situation. I'm not trying to be over-dramatic, but it's the truth. And from what I see at work, they'll stop at nothing and play any dirty trick, absolutely anything that it takes to come into your "home" and get you kicked out.  This isn't really a battle of fact per se, as if it was as someone else said, the fight would have been over long, long, long ago. This is about one side starting and anti-American fight and using any bullshit propaganda that they can muster up to serve their ends. Not everyone is perfect, but for sure this a fight that is going to be executed with the gloves off; fighting the "good fight" is not going to get it won...

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/.../15234644.cms


H-1B, H-1B1 visas: Filing application may get tougher

NEW DELHI: The process of filing H-1B visas may get tougher. The US government has proposed some changes in the Form ETA-9035 Labor Condition Application (LCA) form, which is used by companies that want to place non-immigrant employees in the country for work. The Department of Labor (DOL) put up a notice in this regard on its website on July 09, 2012.

The changes proposed by the companies may be quite relevant to the companies that have put forward the application. At present, employers can use the same LCA form for hundreds of candidates. However, the proposed changes include limiting the number to just 10 candidates, which will affect just 2.6% of the employers who apply, according to DOL. It has also said that it faces challenges when putting the LCA obligations into effect when it comes to hundreds of candidates; on the other hand, assessing 10 applications would prove to be easier.

Moreover, employers may now have to give more information about the existing wages, with additional information describing how it was determined whether the employee requires H-1B visa. According to the proposed changes, they will also have to tell whether the non-immigrant employees are exempt, and if they not, then the companies have to describe their efforts to hire staff from the US. Companies would also have to provide the address where they keep the employee's public access file.

Rather than a host of details about the non-immigrant employees, the LCA form presently asks only for their post and the employer. But the proposed changes demand the name, country of citizenship, date of birth, and immigration status of the candidates. Companies would also have to tell if the candidate has sent the PERM Application for Permanent Employment Certification. This way, the authorities would be able to compare the data provided by employers for H-1B and E-3 visa and PERM certification.

The candidates' location privacy will go for a toss if the proposed changes come into effect. The proposed changes ask for details of the type of location, namely business premises, a private household or the employees' residences. They will also have to specify the details of the end-client location. If yes, then the candidate would have to furnish the name of the end-client as well. This will also affect employers' flexibility as they may end up filling up a new LCA form if the employer is moved from one end-client to another, even if the move is within the same geographical region.

In case the candidates are out of US and require H-1B visas to come to the country and the employers are filing the LCA on their behalf, the companies would not be able to take them as employees until they lawfully arrive with valid H-1B visas. This means that companies would not be able to close the end-client deal before they file the LCA.

For wages, if the employers use a wage survey other than the prevailing wage of the concerned geographic area, then the details of the wage survey, including survey source, survey publisher and the date of publication, would have to be provided.

The notice says that the Employment and Training Administration (ETA), Labor, is asking for comments on "the collection of data of the approved information collection." The last date for submitting the comments is September 07, 2012, as per the notice. The changes proposed by the department need to be approved by the Office of Management and Budget before they come into effect.

Never have I heard the term "labor arbitrage" being spoken in these debates which is what the (current) visa programs are all about - not bringing talent to the US, maybe under that banner but not the real deal.

So half educated Indian housewives and folks with average IQ's of 68 mass along in IT but seem to get work done and to Corp. America's benefit so why upset the status quo ?

But US workers and students have to realize that they are giving up future prosperity to these folks and only this blog seems to be putting up a fight !

Proof that Indian "Engineers" suck and fail:

www.educationnews.org/.../

hope I didn't say anything wrong, wasn't sure if my previous comment
got accidently lost or not; I thought it made sense for our side,
I love this blog a lot, its my favorite, look at it everyday.
anyway, James - wasn't sure I understand why your post of wadhwa photo link,
isn't he on the other side

-EndH1B 4Ever!

That's true don't make it about Indians. They do sux.

But just point out that H1-B is about indentured servitude.

I'm against H1-B if they are white, black, green, yellow, brown, any color, it doesn't matter it's just a big racket.

I think its ok to point out that it's mostly poverty stricken nations that want to avail themselves to it...(you'd think if it was really best and brightest H1-B would be all germans and japanese)...but...

Just be against H1-B. Since most H1-B are in fact indian, it's the same as going against indians but without the blowback from supposedly racist overtones.

PS Not my real name haha ho ho hehe

When Vivek Wadd talks about letting the market decide, and argues for letting employers decide which workers they want, he equivocates by limiting that option to "skilled workers", of which he really means STEM workers. So VW advocates open borders, but only for STEM workers.

One of the points I raised on my blog is the idea of "all or none." If Congress is going to open the borders to foreign workers, then they must do so on an all-or-none basis. Either the borders are open to ALL foreign workers, or they are open to none. To do anything in between unfairly targets those who are unfortunate enough to have invested in the fields targetted for "relief," while the "majority" of U.S. workers remain protected from foreign competition. This is what the Supreme Court calls "requiring the few to shoulder the burden that should be borne by all." It's also what J.S. Mills refers to as the "tyranny of the majority," where democracy devolves to three wolves and two sheep voting on what's for dinner.

While it is well established that Congress has the power to open the borders to foreign labor, I argue that that power is on an all-or-none basis in terms of the type of workers allowed in. The basis of that argument is under the takings clause of the 5th amendment, but I won't get into that here. Suffice to say, if Congress is restricted to all-or-none, then the majority would vehemently demand the "none" option.

Under the current (unconstitutional) paradigm, the borders are allowed to be opened for minority segments of the labor market at a time, leaving the majority to say "oh well, it's not me, so I don't care," and thus not raise much opposition to Caesar throwing those affected to the lions.

To my knowledge, I have not seen this point raised anywhere.

TD

P.S. Gotta love how the "prevailing wage" protection got slipped in unchallenged at the last minute, when really that requirement in the H-1b law has no more teeth than the "attestation" of the unavailability of a U.S. worker.

TD