Remember when HCL boss Vineet Nayar started this rhetorical race war?

When questioned about his firm's US hiring, Information Week reports that Vineet Nayar, the CEO of the Indian outsourcing giant HCL Technologies, showed he can stereotype with the best of them, telling an audience in NYC that most American tech grads are 'unemployable.' Explaining that Americans are far less willing than students from developing economies like India, China, and Brazil to master the 'boring' details of tech process and methodology, the HCL chief added that most Americans are just too expensive to train

Well, in the second article in as many days, slumdogs have been deemed -- wait for it -- dumb and unemployable.  So if Americans are too fat a lazy to work in IT and only a fraction of Indians are worth hiring, who the fuck is working at HCL these days, Brazilians and Chinese? 

 

Only 25 % IT graduates readily employable: Nasscom

DELHI I BANGALORE: At 25, and with a computer science degree from one of the top regional engineering colleges , Sandesh Kumar considered himself to be the luckiest among all his batch mates when he was picked by Infosys Technologies last year. But within three months, Kumar realised the initial training at Infosys' sprawling Mysore campus was getting nowhere. "I actually sucked at everything - communications, language and understanding about some of the latest development tools," Kumar says [OMG, THE RARE HONEST SLUMDOG]. "The company was kind enough to flag early that I might face hurdles ahead and I decided to quit," he adds.

While Kumar's unemployability is an extreme case, of the 550,000 engineering graduates passing out
[FROM WHAT, THE STENCH OF THEIR OWN BO?] every year, anywhere between 10% and 25% cannot be readily employed by any technology firm in the country . Software lobby Nasscom says only 25% of graduates working in IT are readily employable, while it is roughly 15% for back-office jobs. Growing gaps in skills needed for computer science graduates to start coding at the earliest is nothing new, but India Inc's modest progress in dealing with the problem is what marks the seriousness of the issue. India's $60-billion outsourcing industry is already spending almost $1 billion a year on readying these graduates, picked up from different campuses. But only marginal headway has been made with the percentage of employable engineering graduates moving up by just a per cent over the past six years to 25%.

"I did go to a private institute in Hyderabad for a three months refresher course, but they taught us more of the same. It didn't seem to help at all," agrees Kumar who joined a multinational tech support centre in Bangalore last month. While Nasscom believes a quarter of the engineering graduates are unemployable , consulting firm Aspiring Minds paints a gloomier picture. In an employability study conducted last August, the firm found that merely 4.22% of engineering graduates are employable in product companies and only 17% in IT services. On its part, Nasscom says India's large pool of engineers makes the employability percentage look even more daunting. "Comparison of India's employability percentage with other nations is not fair.


The talent pool in those countries is much smaller, and the quality of education has been much higher. The right to education bill has just been passed in India, and it will take time for it to show results," says Nasscom vice-president Sangeeta Gupta. Nasscom has started two common assessment tests, which set a common benchmark for employability especially for students from tier 2-3 engineering colleges. "The 45-minute evaluation tests you on analytical, comprehension, writing and verbal skills. If a person is not good in voice, good analytical skills will get him a job in the BPO function in an IT firm. We have also started the train-the-trainer programme for universities," she says.


"The percentage of non-engineering graduates in the pool of IT and BPO firms is also rising steadily. Companies are not complaining of any dearth of talent, as there is a large pool of three million graduates available to them a year, of which the industry's demand is about 240,000 only per year. We don't see a dearth for talent in future as well, though there will be competition from other sectors," she adds. Tech employers such as Adobe, the world's biggest maker of graphic design software, says a stronger coordination between campuses and companies is needed. "The issue is real but not too much of a glaring problem for us as we go to the Tier I institutes where the curriculum is uptodate and our experience has been good. But in other technology schools it is a problem.


The curriculum is stuck in a time warp and there is very limited exposure to the industry," says Jaleel Abdul, senior director, HR, Adobe Asia-Pacific . "The best practice would be to let students learn from the industry and have strong university programs. Several of our senior technical team go to colleges as guest faculty and students come for internships, that helps a lot. As a result of most colleges not being in touch with the actual requirements, companies have to make a lot of additional investments in training which can be avoided," he adds. Sanyukta, an engineering student set to graduate next year, says she had tough time finding a course that taught software testing-a growing, multi-billion dollar business for Indian tech firms.


"We need premier institutes to offer such courses, most of my batchmates are doing crash courses in testing from smaller private institutes," she says. Some tech executives, however, play down the employability issue. "When you have such a big pool, these challenges will exist and I would say that going forward training will become core to companies. This will help us realign skills to business needs as and when needed and not wait for an institute to offer graduates in a particular discipline ," says the CEO of one of the top 10 software exporters. He requested anonymity because his company is under a silent period.


Apart from investing more in inhouse training, IT companies have also started looking at non-engineering graduates for carrying out simpler tasks. As technology firms automate their commoditised service offerings, they do not necessarily need engineers to perform all tasks. Instead, they are increasingly hiring non-engineering graduates for testing software applications and managing computer infrastructure of their clients in order to do more with fewer staff and at lower wages than computer engineers. From nearly 10% of their current workforce, non-engineering graduates could now account for nearly 20-25 % of the staff at companies such as TCS,
Wipro and HCL, over the next one to two years. Multinational rival Cognizant already has almost 20% of its global workforce who are non-engineering graduates.

Meanwhile, efforts made by Nasscom and other educational institutions are expected to improve employability for IT engineers to 30% over next few years. "I wish our institutes were situated inside these IT companies or vice versa. It can help bridge the skill gap," Kumar says

 

 


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United States mark
April 8. 2011 13:04
mark

Meanwhile US tech firms get bombarded by the resumes of these know-nothing incompetent scumbags, to the extent that they are forced to throw the whole pile of resumes out instead of screening it for America's best and brightest.



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United States Vincenzo
April 8. 2011 19:53
Vincenzo

I'm shocked!  SHOCKED, I tell you!


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United States Vincenzo
April 8. 2011 19:54
Vincenzo

Shocked that it's as high as 25%, that is.


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United States db
April 8. 2011 21:56
db

The basis for good IT and dev is math and creativity skills, maybe also systems thinking -- and degrees.

Indians grads. have all sorts of bogus credentials like "graduate diploma" or "programming certificate." This happens in other countries too like Indonesia and Malaysia. They are strung along to think they are some Tesla grand master.

I used to teach software engineering at a huge university and the foreign kids always had trouble completing assignments or even knowing the basics. It was like knocking on wood.

No disrespect to their country or people, but they just suck at this stuff in general.

I ended up writing a complex web app for a department and the h1b they had working in sys said I had to remove all of the dynamic code in order to get IIS to work. Hello moron ... web application.

Trust me they are all complete idiots. They have no clue what's going on at all and cannot even complete a assignment without 100% hand holding the entire way. Even with all of that they still get stuff wrong.

This visa system has been a bad nightmare for me for over ten years. It has destroyed and set back countless roll-outs and projects due to overall incompetence. Not to mention the time lost and cost to the owners.


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United States James
April 8. 2011 22:30
James

"I actually sucked at everything" - that pretty much sums it up. The drag 10 million of these faking frauds have been putting on the U.S. economy for 13 years is what has really caused all our economic problems.


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United States Mandy
April 9. 2011 06:38
Mandy

My company opened a BPO office in India.  2 sets of developers they hired there in India came to my department for training over the last four months. We know upper management is trying to replace us. They need to read these articles.

Check this out, the first guy who came was supposed to learn about one stand alone project and take it back to do the work in India.  After the first week, the U.S. developers knew the guy was a fresher pretending to know stuff. Always dropping buzz words, like "reviewing the code-behind pages", and "XML would accomplish this objective".  The asshole had no idea where to start or what questions to ask.  He even had the nerve to want to put ME to work gathering information for him!

The day before he had to go back to India to do the project, he announced that the hard disk on his laptop had crashed and he had lost all his work.  (No explanation as to why he hadn't saved anything to the network drive like everyone else does.

The department in India has produced nothing since it has been created.


  


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April 9. 2011 11:10
tunnel rat

Thanks for sharing your H-1B horror story, Mandy.  Please send me an email (anonymously of course) with info about your company so that the Insurgency can take action.


http://www.techinsurgent.com/http://www.techinsurgent.com/


United States Stalin
April 9. 2011 13:17
Stalin

BASTARD TUNNEL RAT

YOU MOTHER FUCKER

CHRISTIAN AND WHITE AMERICAN MOTHERFUCKER, SON OF A BITCH, YOU DESERVE TO BE PUT TO SLEEP PERMENENTLY.

BASTARD, SON OF A WHITE CHRISTIAN WHORE

WE NEED FOLKS FROM AL-QEADA TO HUNT SONS OF RACIST CHRISTIAN WHORES LIKE YOU.

REMEMBER SEPTEMBER 11, 2011....YOUR WHITE AMERICAN CHRISTIAN SONS OF PIGS AND BITCHES RAN LIKE MOUSES.

BASTARD...SON OF A BITCH


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April 9. 2011 13:27
tunnel rat

Actually, I am rather agnostic, Stalin.  

Now get the fuck off my blog, slumdog.


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United States Heartlander
April 9. 2011 14:38
Heartlander

Oh wow, TR, I saw Stalin's comment and for a momemt thought you'd upgraded the slumdog comment generator.


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United States James
April 9. 2011 15:58
James

Just look at the intolerant hate spewing from Stalin's heart. We're supposed to be 'tolerant' and open our doors and give them all our jobs even though they have been sitting around for 5000 years living like Aztecs or worse, and now that even the WSJ is exposing their multi-decade RAMPANT FRAUD, you're outraged.

Well, the fact that we live in a nice, clean, civilized, peaceful country that works and you don't is proof that our way and Christianity is right and you are wrong. If India had volcanoes, you'd probably still be sacrificing people and throwing them in.

The Indiot conspiracy is so vast and so huge, and so utterly criminal in USA that it was just a matter of time before the Feds caught on, which they have now done.

Game over for India. Too bad, it COULD have been different if you had behaved as proper guests in our country, but no, you had to bring your criminality and subhuman behavior here and mess the whole place up to the point that it no longer functions.

Expect SERIOUS repurcusions once the Feds find all all your crimes against Americans. There will be huge extraditions from India. If India refuses to cooperate, we'll cut off all trade with you, deport those of you left here, and you can go back to living in the mud puddle.

Karma has finally come home to roost for India, Inc.


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United States db
April 9. 2011 21:54
db

James is right when saying: "the fact that we live in a nice, clean, civilized, peaceful country that works and you don't is proof that our way and Christianity is right and you are wrong."

Normally I don't double post or discuss religion because it's a divisive issue. Attacking someone's religion is like attacking their identity because their religion is part of who they are -- and they become anxious when their identity is attacked.

But ... most experts agree that the Modern Era and high technology are a direct result of the Protestant Reformation and the antecedent movements that followed it such as Oliver Cromwell, England's Glorious Revolution, the Great Awakening, Johnathan Edwards, George Whitefield, etc.

In fact, America wouldn't even have a Bill of Rights if it wasn't for the Baptist-Calvinist minister John Leland sending a ultimatum to James Madison's people stating that Virginia wouldn't ratify the US constitution unless it contained a explicit Bill of Rights. (see http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06.html)

The nuclear bomb, the semiconductor, ELECTRIFICATION, the Internet, etc. -- all designed by men residing in historically Write Christian nations. You Indians can't stand this fact, can you? All you know how to do is attack it, steal it and say it isn't true when I have a huge library proving it isn't.

You people put your foot in your mouth whenever you can, huh? You have no humility, generosity, or any Christian character traits. And this is why you are not a great nation. It's the only reason. You are all slaves to your sin and hatred because you do not have Jesus.

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."


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United States Wakjob
April 9. 2011 22:05
Wakjob

Wow TR, you MUST be having one hell of an effect on India, Inc. because just look at the raw ANGER from them. Having suffered one exposed screw up after another, India, Inc. must really be running scared. And based on the level of anger from these TEMPORARY GUEST WORKERS WHO PROMISED TO GO HOME AFTER THE BOOM IN 1998 AND 2001, I'd say they know their days in the USA are numbered and they are all terrified of having to go back to that hellhole called India and live the lives they were born to live instead of RIPPING OFF OTHER COUNTRIES AS THEY HAVE BEEN DOING TO US FOR THE PAST 13 YEARS. They know their cushy stolen IT jobs are coming to an end soon and they are in a panic and angry as hell.

Too bad for them since they were never supposed to even be here this long to beging with. When will these people learn that you don't go around stealing from people and deliberately decieving them?


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United States James
April 10. 2011 06:20
James

Not only are they dumb and unemployable, they even destroy civilization given to them by others:


www.livemint.com/.../...al-stamp-on-British-c.html


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United States Arrow
April 10. 2011 11:50
Arrow

Nothing new here, Corporate India and NASSCOM is ignorant about IT , and only want to cash in on teh boom time like robber barons ( Azim Premji and Vineet Nayar are the prime examples). 75 % of CEO's on NASSCOM have never written a production C program in their lives. They neither care about their Indian 'debelopers' nor their ''westren'' clients- its all about the $$$ ( India has manupulated currency exchange rates to favor its exporters and enslave its working class - in order to 'compete' with China), land grabbing in India , and power play . And Corp USA has taken their bait. It will be fun to see this drama unravel..


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United States mn
April 10. 2011 11:57
mn

Are you on Facebook?

I would love for my friends and connection to see this site but can't seem to find you?

I know so many indian who fresh out of college with fraudulent resume who lies about having work experience and get this " get job with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac"...

There staffing agencies have extensive networking systems...

This sucks!!


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April 10. 2011 13:16
tunnel rat

mn:

I've been banned on Facebook 3 times.  Yes, I know all about the slumdog slave trade at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.  Once you get one able to influence hiring, the locals are purged and the place is turned into a curry den.  


http://www.techinsurgent.com/http://www.techinsurgent.com/


India h-1b machine
April 10. 2011 15:32
h-1b machine

NASSCOM still have spokes president Obama that support h1b and outsourcing.  hehe. Obama promise us he would veto any bill that help US worker.  hehe.


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United States James
April 10. 2011 18:57
James

American workers don't need any help - we are geniuses who invented everything. It's Indiots who need help seeing how without U.S. jobs they all live unemployed in the toilet-smelling Curry Containment Field called India.


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United States Stalin
April 11. 2011 11:38
Stalin

WHITE RACIST BASTARDS...WAIT TILL CHINA SCREWS UP YOUR COUNTRY....U NITWITS, SPEW SO MUCH HATE AND ANGER ON INDIA AND ITS PEOPLE, BLAMING THE WHOLE COUNTRY, ITS RELIGION, AND ITS PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE SOME ROTTEN INDIAN FOOLS DID SOMETHING WRONG.

WHITE MOTHERFUCKERS, WHILE YOU POUR YOUR BILE ON INDIA, CREATING IMAGINARY ENEMIES, CHINA IS SLOWLY AND SLOWLY STEALING YOUR COUNTRY'S TOP SECRETS (DEFENSE AND ECONOMIC - REMEMBER WEN HO LEE).

LET US SEE THE REACTION OF TUNNEL RAT WHEN THIS HAPPENS - CHINA SCREWING USA - LEFT, RIGHT, AND CENTER - ECONOMICALLY.

MAY BE JACKASSES LIKE TUNNEL RAT WILL START PROLIFERATING EVERYWHERE IN THE HOME OF THE "FREE" (WHERE US GOVT. COVERTLY SANCTIONS EXECUTION OF JULIAN ASSANGE) AND LAND OF THE "BRAVE" (WHOSE ARMY BUTCHERS CIVILIANS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN) AND START SPEWING HATE ON CHINA, JUST LIKE THEY WERE DOING IT ON RUSSIA DURING COLD WAR, NOW INDIA - BECAUSE IT IS "STEALING" JOBS (IMAGINARY).

THESE WHITE AMERICAN FILTH LIKE TUNNEL RAT BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE THE MOST ETHICAL AND MORAL PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET AND OTHER CULTURES/PEOPLES ARE LIKE VERMIN AND PARASITES WHO HAVE TO BE HATED AT ANY COSTS.

AND BY THE WAY SOMEBODY WAS COMMENTING THAT TUNNEL RAT SHOULD BE ON FACEBOOK....OH I WOULD LOVE THAT, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT RACIST, SHIT-EATING FACE, BORN IN A GARBAGE DUMP, ABANDONED BY SEMI-ILLITERATE PARENTS AND RAISED IN A SHIT HOLE.

AND BTW - I AM NOT A COMMUNIST, PERIOD.


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United States Drifter
April 11. 2011 13:47
Drifter

How is it people that can't develop their own OS, applications or hardware think they can market themselves as knowledgeable in the field?

The Feds are involved now, it's only a matter of time and not a bloody day too soon. It's difficult enough getting the job done without these poseurs thinking they've got everyone convinced.

I'm so tired of the excuses, the claims of lack of details for what I've requested, the inability to accept responsibility when things go south,  all work stopping when they reach a point where they acually have to THINK and develop a solution, etc and on and on and on.....

India's temp agency sham has been nothing but a flashy trend like parachute pants and members only jackets. Can't wait to get back to work with some true talent like the old days.


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United States Arrow
April 11. 2011 20:57
Arrow

Tough times ahead for the H1-Boo visa, these staffing companies operating  out of basements and 2 room suites have done well to destroy whatever dubious credibility India Inc had.  Their  business model is to suck money like leeches , and operates similar to a pyramid scheme  - with H1-boo consultants at the bottom and Robber Baron CEOs sitting comfortably in India on land grabbed through devious means , but pouting all sorts of 'globalist' gibberish.


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United States ezy
April 11. 2011 22:08
ezy

Most hilarious is the fact that over 1 million have been able to settle in the US with their wives as "testers" - N.J and Virginia are full of these scabs !!

Corporate America has made a lot of money off this phenomenon as has India Inc.

The con game goes on though reduced a bit due to the recession.


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United States James
April 12. 2011 01:08
James

@Stalin

As for China stealing our military secrets, perhaps you better have a look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noshir_Gowadia

One can just imagine all the corporate secret source code Indians working in the U.S send back to India when they return to their apartments every night. No wonder the U.S. economy is in the crapper - an army of industrial spies is robbing us blind in order to try to jumpstart their own garbage economy using something Americans worked very hard to create.


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