tunnel rat posted on October 16, 2010 12:11

From fellow insurgent Rob Oak:

The Chamber’s anti-American jobs agenda serves not only the profit-seeking of right-wing corporate executives in the United States, but also works to send jobs overseas to the following outsourcing companies, who are some of the dozens of foreign corporations that pay member dues to the Chamber of Commerce’s 501c(6) account, which is used to fund its political ads:

InfoSys, Bangalore, India (at least $15,000 in annual member dues): “Infosys is the ‘Best Outsourcing Partner’ according to the Waters Rankings for the third consecutive year.”

KPIT Cummins, Pune, India ($7,500): “Strategic global networking, together with industry-proven practices & processes, give KPIT Cummins a cutting edge in the realm of outsourcing.”

Patni Americas, Mumbai, India ($15,000): “Patni, the world leader in IT outsourcing and business process outsourcing provides offshore software development, global sourcing, custom software development, and a vast array of product engineering and IT services to companies worldwide.”

NIIT Technologies, Delhi, India ($15,000): “[L]eadership in the area of outsourcing.”

QuEST Global, Singapore ($7,500): “QuEST is a leader in the engineering services outsourcing (ESO) space.”

Rolta, Mumbai, India ($7,500): “Rolta’s global footprint and track record along with its capable off-shoring model gives it a unique positioning in this large market.”

SKP Crossborder Consulting, Mumbai, India ($7,500): “SKP’s core outsourcing practice is managed out of a fully equipped, spacious premises based in Pune with access to facilities in Mumbai, Hyderabad, Delhi and Bangalore.”

Tata Group, Mumbai, India ($15,000): “[W]orld-class solutions in outsourcing – business process outsourcing, application outsourcing, infrastructure outsourcing.”

Wipro, Bangalore, India ($15,000): “India’s biggest destination for U.S. offshoring.”

Trust me, there will be retribution for Tom Donohue, the slumdog shill that heads the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

 


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United States debugman
October 16. 2010 14:15
debugman

here's another good video about the CHAMBER OF LIES

www.msnbc.msn.com/.../#39679326


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United States debugman
October 16. 2010 14:23
debugman

I hope the CHAMBER OF LIES  loose their 501(c) tax exempt status because of their political involvement, the IRS already has a case on them.


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United States James
October 16. 2010 16:03
James

Damn, this guy looks like a walking zombie. Why doesn't he just kick the bucket already? A severely old fart who just wants one last grab at wealth and power before he dies?


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October 16. 2010 20:34
Rob Delsman

Yea, I wrote an article about this despicable group last week. gesupplyrexeldiscrimination.blogspot.com/.../us-chamber-of-communism-oops-commerce.html They won't stop this kind of BS as long as there is money for the taking.  Better, the US consumer is responding to this kind of crap by BOYCOTTING businesses that are selling out American workers



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United States Unemployed in Detroit
October 17. 2010 11:33
Unemployed in Detroit


@James

He reminds me of an aged version of Lyle Wagoner from the old Carol Burnett show. At least Wagoner made me laugh. This guy just makes me want to puke.


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United States Gail
October 17. 2010 11:52
Gail

That organization is despicable and should no longer have U.S. in front of its name.


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Canada ezygoer
October 17. 2010 19:01
ezygoer

This is the final link in the outsourcing racket - former CEO's and lobbyists in cahoots with big business. The results of which are plain to see in places like NJ and VA. BTW will VA become the next NJ ? Hordes of H1-B's all around the place with the ususal rackets - H1-B and spouses( who become "QA analysts" testing the useless H1-B's code) filling up all the available IT jobs with the US worker always getting the shaft ?  


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United States Drifter
October 17. 2010 20:41
Drifter

The outsourcing fad is much like the dot-com era bubble. It can't last, the bottom WILL eventually fall out.

It's a campaign platform, it's front and center now with November coming up and the accusations are flying at the presidential level (!) about the bill that got shot down by the Republicans. The Neufield memo. indians are calling us protectionist. (well, nothing new there) Ohio bans outsourcing. Plenty of pissed off unemployed US citizens. The list goes on...

Listen. The pot is boiling over. The desperate H1Bers can wave the indian flag all they want claiming economic growth (based on US corp money), india is the next superpower (long way to go yet), you can't stop outsourcing (kill the visa program and they have lost their main source of economic growth) and so on but it's coming to an end. Cries of protectionism and 'xenophobia' are clear indications of desperation because they have based an industry on another country's variable market. Services. india DOES NOT HAVE AN IT INDUSTRY. They provide services and support, NOTHING MORE. NO marketable applications, NO operating systems and NO hardware.

It is merely a matter of time now. And to that end, let them go back home and create and industry and sell it globally. Let the market decide. And it will.


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October 18. 2010 02:06
TaxiDriver

After the civil war ended, and slave labor was outlawed, wages started to rise immediately nationwide.  The workers were getting a greater and greater share of the entrepreneur's profits.  Almost as immediately, entrepreneurs discovered another form of cheap labor... Coolies.  Coolies were Chinese migrant workers who were willing to work for peanuts so they could send (or take) the money back home.  The people rose up and put a stop to that with the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1875, barely more than a decade after the end of the Civil War.

So ok, no more guest workers from China.  Of course, they didn't have to come from China, they could come from any country were labor was cheaper, so employers looked for cheap labor from anywhere but China.  Ten years later, the people rose up again, and pushed through the Alien Contract Labor Law of 1885.  With that law, the people declared that citizenship included the valueable property right of being able to work in the United States.  The reason the right was valueable is that it had thus become an exclusive right. Citizens and permanent residents could work in the US, whereas others could not.

Just like with the Chinese Exclusion act, it is naive to think that if one country gets saturated and begins to lose its grip on the US labor market, another country will not take over.  We have to send ALL of the guest workers packing, regardless of what country they come from.

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United States James
October 18. 2010 08:13
James

VA might become the next NJ because the slumdogs are now targetting Federal contracting. After all, it's the only $ source left since they destroyed
Silicon Valley, Wall St., and Detroit.


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United States Bobby Jindal
October 18. 2010 12:34
Bobby Jindal

>Trust me, there will be retribution for Tom Donohue, the slumdog shill that heads the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

Too late...you guys should have realized all this before holding the placard for the tea party gathering. Where did you think the money came from? You really believed the deficit argument? Somehow deficit was never a concern b/w 2001-2009 Jan and suddenly tea party "leaders" were "concerned" about it from Feb 2009?


US Chamber of Commerce, American Crossroads and American Crossroads GPS have already spent millions on tea party/GOP candidates. Why do you think idiots like Angle and O'Donell are getting so much money? 2001 & 12 will be pay back time to corporations and billionaires.


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United States debugman
October 19. 2010 00:05
debugman

The Chamber Of Commerce operates an office in India called the US India Business Council, and the headquarters of that office are in the main headquarters of the Chamber of Commerce. Dozens of Indian businesses, including some of India’s largest corporations like the State Bank of India (state-run) and ICICI Bank, are members of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce through the USIBC. Annual membership dues range from $7,500 to $15,000 or more, and the money is given directly into the Chamber’s 501(c)(6) bank account in Washington.

On the website that the Chamber uses to pitch companies in India to join the USIBC it states....

"India aspires to be a world-class manufacturer. India's prowess in this sector is already apparent in automobile and auto components manufacturing. Manufacturing is a priority sector as it generates jobs and employment. USIBC can play a helpful role in guiding U.S. companies to India, while supporting various policy initiatives that will enhance India's reputation as a major manufacturing and investment hub."

Did you happen to catch that sentence?

USIBC can play a helpful role in guiding U.S. companies to India

And when a company joins the USIBC the dues are sent too...

1615 H St NW
Washington DC 20062
usibc@uschamber.com


So here is the chamber collecting literally hundreds of thousands of dollars from foreign companies that are put into the same account that they fund ads with.




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United States James
October 19. 2010 02:26
James

In 1998 we had a huge Federal SURPLUS thanks to American workers. Then the slumdogs flooded in by the millions, cleaned out the U.S. economy and now we have nothing but deficits constantly. Guest workers sure have been good for the U.S. economy.


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United States James
October 19. 2010 19:06
James

"USIBC can play a helpful role in guiding U.S. companies to India, while supporting various policy initiatives that will enhance India's reputation as a major manufacturing and investment hub."

==

Communism.

India has zippo manufacturing. What the Tata Nano that bursts into flames? Yeah - good luck getting that thing imported to the U.S. with all its safety violations.


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Canada ezygoer
October 19. 2010 20:31
ezygoer

The state of the US economy is a result of a mirage of factors mostly caused domestically by wrong policies. This is a debatable term as corporate profits are up however the real unemployment rate stands at 20% in certain regions which can be directly linked to:

Outsourcing
The wilful destruction of the US workforce specifically in IT with the H1-B, L-1 and other visas.
And look what you have got - workers from the third world and their spouses filling up all the available positions in growth sectors where no attempt has been made to train or re-orient American workers.
The US worker has to decide what's gonna get outsourced or where he has no chance as the firm has H1-B's etc and then decide their future. It's really pathetic that this went on for 2 decades or so ! And there is a whole system to facilitate it - Recruiters, Immigration lawyers, Big Business groups etc etc.


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United States BigR
October 19. 2010 23:31
BigR

Oh my God, some influential people are saying US and India are natural allies.
www.cnas.org/.../...lies_ArmitageBurnsFontaine.pdf

Foreign policy people are pushing for greater US-India ties in all spheres.
shadow.foreignpolicy.com/.../a_roadmap_for_revitalizing_the_us_partnership_with_india

Billions of dollar are at stake
seekingalpha.com/.../230749-defense-suppliers-compete-for-a-piece-of-indias-multibillion-dollar-military-revamp

How about 1000 airplanes in next decade or two?
www.reuters.com/article/idUSSGE6900DH20101001

Factors like these come into play when the high and mighty sit across the table for a game of give and take. In this high stakes game, idiots like you guys have very little or no voice, your delusions notwithstanding. First make yourself relevant, then hope for some crumbs.



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October 20. 2010 00:29
tunnel rat

Big R:

Thanks for the info.  Now go back to sucking your supervisor's dick at the Indian outsourcing body shop you work at so that you can get your high performance grades.  We all know that you people are forced to peddle the lies in order to get above-average reviews.

And Obama is a bit worried about hanging with the slumdogs:

www.nytimes.com/.../20india.html?_r=1


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United States James
October 20. 2010 00:30
James

@ezygoer

You are 100% correct. And the biggest wrong policy is called H-1B and L-1 abuse. The 2nd wrong policy is not deporting the TEMPORARY GUEST WORKERS, once the dot-com and Y2K booms ended AS AGREED ORIGINALLY.

Funny, but we never had ANY economic problems until USA acquired the 'policy' under Clinton of 'engaging' China and India - both of whom are protectionist and trade unfairly.

These workers were NEVER supposed to become PERMANENT FIXTURES in the U.S. economic landscape.

What American workers are really being subjected to is communism - the dismantling of everything Americans have created and shipping it off to (mainly communist) countries that didn't lift a finger to help create those industries. Does that seem fair to anyone?

The whole civilized world is being subjected to the New Communism called Globalization all so we can let those lazy, stupid, unproductive 3rd world countries catch up.

Heck, China even stole the plans to our Space Shutte - even as we are dismantling our own. Nothing funny going on there........


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United Kingdom rahul gupta
October 20. 2010 13:13
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United States James
October 20. 2010 13:52
James

Why is BigR unable to discern real news from NASSCOM-paid PR?

Americans are the most relevant people on earth - after all, we brought the world the PC, internet, operating system, and just about everything else long before Indiots ever came here or got involved with the world economy. India is incapable of even creating its own commerical OS. Irrelevant? Look in the mirror, Indiot.

BigRetard's delusions seem to include thinking that hyped up PR 'news' somehow reflects reality.

Go ahead and buy your planes from AirBus and watch as they plunge out of the sky when the Indian-written autopilot software switches off for no reason. LOL.


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United States James
October 20. 2010 14:35
James

How can a communist sympathasizer and unrpoductive nation like India be a natural ally of America?

More likely India is a natural ally of the international bankers. After all, flooding a country of productive workers who create surpluses (which pay off debt) with millions of workers who have never produced anything without the west's help is a sure way to make sure those productive workers are kept out of the economy in order to avoid another surplus.

Indiiots are the most economically destructive people on earth. They make Mexicans look like Americans.


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United States James
October 20. 2010 14:41
James

www.ibtimes.com/.../...-immigration-hi1b-visas.htm

"Hira also cites the comments of Neeraj Gupta, CEO of Systems in Motion, a U.S.-based in-shoring company, and past executive of a major off shore outsourcing company, who stated that “the widespread abuse of current work visa laws… that allow companies to bring in cheap labor from other countries to replace an American labor pool is extremely damaging to our business, because it creates artificial pressure on prices, and consequently wages, of an equally qualified local workforce.”


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United States James
October 20. 2010 16:44
James

www.newsmax.com/.../374204

"This month, billionaire Donald Trump objected to China's policies and stated "outside forces are destroying this country."

Guess which outside forces he is referring to?

Not Guatemla or Congo.


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United States James
October 20. 2010 22:10
James

Hey Gupta,

Unless you havent' heard UK is severely scaling back immigration. That's because you all come in and suck off the taxes but produce nothing.

As for outsourcing cutting 30% off the costs - that's only until you all screw the projects up so badly that westerners have to come in and clean up your messes - then the costs tripple.

As 'smart' as Indians are, I would think you would learn to adjust your message instead of using the disproven, tired, work-out one that has obviously been exposed as fake.

And 0% in costs are too much if the products don't work.

UK's economy is going down the tubes BTW.

Why doesn't Apple outsource it's R&D or hire mostly Indians?

Oh that's right - I forgot - they want products that someone actually wants to buy.


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United States Eric
October 20. 2010 23:00
Eric

@Big R

People trade goods, not slaves.  Go back to your shit hole and produce something that can be traded.


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United States relentlesscrusader
October 21. 2010 11:08
relentlesscrusader

Rudy, read this news:

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/.../6782681.cms

That's how neat Indian houses are, no wonder a lot of communities that have a lot of Indians are extremely unhygienic and filthy. And the best part is that 90% of them think their houses are "spotless", see the correlation, just like how they think they are the best programmers in the world, even though the majority of them can hardly program.

It shows the real face of Indians, and the problem with their attitudes


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United States Bobby Jindal
October 21. 2010 18:29
Bobby Jindal

Eric,
No need...Your own billionaires will trade whatever is needed for their profits. And of course you WILL vote them in about a week because you don't want to vote the other "librul" candidate.

motherjones.com/.../pay-no-attention-superrich-donors-behind-curtain


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United States James
October 21. 2010 19:23
James

As JEE head, tainted prof tweaked cutoffs

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/.../6789689.cms

NEW DELHI: Running a fake institute from within the IIT-Kharagpur campus is not the only way in which Amit Kumar Ghosh of the aerospace department made his name.


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United States Drifter
October 21. 2010 21:10
Drifter

Not mine but...

Gupta and BigR - grab your brooms and pans, get back to work and stop bothering the humans.


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United States BigR
October 21. 2010 21:21
BigR

"@Big R
People trade goods, not slaves."

Yeah, people trade goods and services as long as there are willing providers & consumers.

In the meantime, strong quarterly results by TCS and other outsourcing companies:

www.pcworld.com/.../...ong_outsourcing_demand.html

www.businessweek.com/.../D9J053I80.htm



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United States James
October 21. 2010 23:27
James

BigR,

And we all know Indian IT companies can be trusted to accurately report their earnings, right? Does the name Ramalinga Raju mean anything to you?

LOL.


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India Amused
November 1. 2010 09:35
Amused

It's interesting to read the xenophobic comments made here. Looks like a couple of people have lost their jobs due to outsourcing - and lo and behold. All of India is to blame. How interesting.

The reason why outsourcing exists in the first place is because of the "core" American values of capitalism. Move manufacturing to where it's the cheapest. If you want to blame something, blame your system. No point blaming India.

But as absurd as some comments here have been, what no one really wants to even consider the is amount of trade that India does with the US. Let alone the trade and the American goods being purchased by India, India currently holds almost half a trillion US greenbacks. That's as good as giving a freebie to the US (that's if you can figure out how the economy works)

So yeah, you guys can go hate India all you want. It's not really going to affect anything. Using an anonymous forum to vent your frustration might be good relief, but to casual surfers like me who see something like this - it looks like atleast some parts of the US are still stuck in the early 1900s - so why don't you get your white sheets and pointy hat out while you're at it boy and go burn some dem Injuns...

Grow up !!


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United States James
November 9. 2010 01:30
James

BigR:

"In the meantime, strong quarterly results by TCS and other outsourcing companies: "

I can claim strong quarterly results too if I go rob a bank.

Don't confuse rape & robbery of the U.S. economy with India producing anything productive that anyone wants to buy.

Cleaning out companies built by Americans is not the same thing as producing products that work.

LOL.


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United States James
November 9. 2010 01:38
James

@Amused

"It's interesting to read the xenophobic comments made here. Looks like a couple of people have lost their jobs due to outsourcing - and lo and behold. All of India is to blame. How interesting."

Xenophobic? You mean like the laws on the books in India making it illegal to hire Amercians there? Or the fact that Mein Kampf is the best selling business book in Mumbai. Look in the mirror, maderchod.

"The reason why outsourcing exists in the first place is because of the "core" American values of capitalism. Move manufacturing to where it's the cheapest. If you want to blame something, blame your system. No point blaming India."

No, it exists because Bill Clinton sold ICBMs to India via China and India then threatened the U.S. with nuclear war if we didn't give you our jobs. Don't be delusional. The U.S. economy needs you like we need a hole in the head. Capitalism != slavery. Slavery == slavery. The greatest capitalist of all time, Henry Ford, said "I have to pay my workers enough to enable them to buy my product". And there are far more important considerations than $ when sending jobs offshore - such as national security and military implications. And it's not 'our system' that's operating in the U.S. deliberately denying U.S. jobs to its own citizens on its own soil - it's India, Inc. slumdog shops and Indian managers who are doing that.

"But as absurd as some comments here have been, what no one really wants to even consider the is amount of trade that India does with the US. Let alone the trade and the American goods being purchased by India, India currently holds almost half a trillion US greenbacks. That's as good as giving a freebie to the US (that's if you can figure out how the economy works)"

USA is running a trade deficit with India every year and has since 1986. Plus we borrow $150 million a year and hand it to you for free in the form of foreign aid. Everyone from Asia knows that Asians don't buy western goods if they can avoid it due to historical grievances. And even if they did, it would only benefit American corporations, not the people since any increase in business from foreign trade just means more FOREIGN workers hired in America. Nice argument, but it doesn't quite hold water. Enjoy your declining dollar. LOL. Suckers!

"So yeah, you guys can go hate India all you want. It's not really going to affect anything."

Sure. And protesting against the vietnam war didn't have any effect either. Wait til unemployment hits 30% in the USA and we'll see how long outsourcing lasts. The American people have finally woken up about India due to the grassroots American worker movement.

"Using an anonymous forum to vent your frustration might be good relief, but to casual surfers like me who see something like this - it looks like atleast some parts of the US are still stuck in the early 1900s - so why don't you get your white sheets and pointy hat out while you're at it boy and go burn some dem Injuns..."

And India is still stuck back in the 700s - except of course for all the money and technology you get from us. ROFL.


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