Tunnel Rat posted on March 6, 2014 13:31

This is what you get for turning your IT department over to the curry-scented wage pirates...

(AP) — Target Corp. (NYSE:TGT) Chief Information Officer Beth Jacob is resigning effective Wednesday as the retailer overhauls its information security and compliance division in the wake of a massive pre-Christmas data breach.

Target Chairman, President and CEO Gregg Steinhafel said in a statement released to The Associated Press that the company will search for an interim chief information officer who can help guide the company through the transformation.

Jacob had been in her current role since 2008 and oversaw teams in the U.S. and India.

Target disclosed on Dec. 19 that the data breach compromised 40 million credit and debit card accounts between Nov. 27 and Dec. 15. Then on Jan. 10 it said hackers also stole personal information — including names, phone numbers as well as email and mailing addresses — from as many as 70 million customers.





Tunnel Rat posted on September 29, 2013 00:40

It looks like Infoshit and their pack of rabid slumdogs are set to rid Northeast Utilities of all the American techies:


There is some great news for those American techies victimized by the high-tech junta and the slumdog slave traders -- the tide is turning.  What used to be a steady drip of pro-H-1B propaganda dished out by the likes of the Wall Street Journal, the Republican party, and other organs of the plutocracy is now becoming an anti-H-1B torrent of facts, reason, and sympathy for those displaced, denigrated, and discriminated by the Indian Offshoring/Outsourcing Regime.

Here's a quick summary of recent stories:

Norman Matloff released a study laying waste to the myth that foreign workers are smarter than Americans:


That study got positive coverage in several forums:



In another article, Sam Harnett of PRI got excoriated by commenters disgusted with his take on Stanford PhD from India scamming her way to an H-1B visa:


Our old friend Don Tennant, who we used to call Mumbai Don for his pro-slumdog coverage, has turned a new leaf after the Jay Palmer/Infosys case and is now doing good coverage about a criminal indictment of slumdog bodyshop Dibon Solutions:


On a personal note, I am now seeing less anecdotal evidence of companies going out of their way to fill their IT staffing needs by hiring slumdogs.  It may take years, but eventually the bottom line catches up to reality and corporations learn what a fraud the typical slumdog programmer is.  Wages are rising in my field, and I am now making close to what I was in the dot-com boom, and 50% more than I made when I was at the notorious Curry Den four years ago. 


I have to admit that I was once what you would call a "right-wing wacko" and Paul Krugman was one of my favorite targets.  But like they say, a Democrat is a Republican who hasn't been raped, and a Republican is a Democrat who has not had their job outsourced/off-shored.  I'm have no loyalty to either party, and think both Dems and Republicans are sucking at the tit of the Indian Offshoring Regime and the High-Tech Junta. 

But one cannot argue with Krugman's statement:

Whenever you see some business person quoted complaining about how he or she can’t find workers with the necessary skills, ask what wage they’re offering. Almost always, it turns out that what said business person really wants is highly (and expensively) educated workers at a manual-labor wage. No wonder they come up short.


Listen up, you collaborators that like cheap, compliant, foreign scab labor.


Tunnel Rat posted on October 28, 2012 02:07

Robert X. Cringlely has been covering IT for decades and has been critical of Indian Bowel Movement's (IBM) labor practices and ethnic cleansing of American techies.  Here he destroys many of the myths regarding the slumdog scabs and their (ab)use by the high-tech junta:

The H-1B visa program was created in 1990 to allow companies to bring skilled technical workers into the USA. It’s a non-immigrant visa and so has nothing at all to do with staying in the country, becoming a citizen, or starting a business. Big tech employers are constantly lobbying for increases in H-1B quotas citing their inability to find qualified US job applicants. Microsoft cofounder Bill Gates and other leaders from the IT industry have testified about this before Congress. Both major political parties embrace the H-1B program with varying levels of enthusiasm.

But Bill Gates is wrong. What he said to Congress may have been right for Microsoft but was wrong for America and can only lead to lower wages, lower employment, and a lower standard of living. This is a bigger deal than people understand: it’s the rebirth of industrial labor relations circa 1920. Our ignorance about the H-1B visa program is being used to unfairly limit wages and steal -- yes, steal -- jobs from US citizens...


This article also his getting traction at Slashdot, and the many comments are revealing.


A true WTF. The comments are especially revealing. I look forward to the day a displaced IBM-er takes a gun to their "GDF" and gets some retribution.

"IBM’s 2015 plan was hatched to deliver $20 earnings-per-share to the delight of Wall Street. IBMers were offered a carrot, a few shares of stock granted at the end of 2015, as a reward for helping them achieve that target. It appears that IBM’s goal is not to issue any of those grants as they continue to conduct resource actions (IBMspeak for permanent layoffs) and remove talented and valuable US employees in favor of moving work to low cost countries such as Brazil, Argentina, India, China and Russia.

Work that stays onshore is mainly sent to what are called Global Delivery Facilities (GDF’s), two of which were created at heritage IBM locations (Poughkeepsie, NY and Boulder, CO) while starting new ones in Dubuque, IA and most recently Columbia, MO. IBM’s public position is they are creating jobs in smaller towns when in fact they are displacing workers from other parts of the US by moving jobs to these GDFs or to offshore locations.

In the case of Dubuque and Columbia, IBM secured heavy incentives from state and local governments to minimize their costs in these locations and are achieving further savings by paying the technical team members, most of whom are new hires or fresh college grads with no experience, a fraction of what experienced support personnel would require.

Let’s look closer at Dubuque, not because it is any different from the rest of IBM USA but simply to characterize the company at a finer scale.

When IBM opened the Dubuque center the people of Iowa were expecting great things.  The center was staffed by a small number of US IBMers in management positions.  IBM then brought over people from India for “training,” then sent them back.  Few H1B visas were even required.

Every time IBM sent a batch of trainees back to India from Iowa they laid off US workers.  While Dubuque was led to believe they’d get an influx of highly-paid new residents, what the city actually received was a transient workforce of underpaid people — workers that may well be invisible to local government.  It would be interesting to know how many permanent hires in Dubuque have been Iowa residents or graduates of Iowa universities?  How many workers spend less than a year in Dubuque?  Is Iowa seeing any benefit from the investment they made to open the IBM Dubuque center?

Whenever IBM has a big project they now have to bring in extra workers, usually from India.  I have been told they plan the arrivals over several days to a few weeks.  They route people through different airports.  They make sure there are never more than two or three workers coming on the same flight, effectively avoiding notice by Homeland Security.

Are any of these people paying FICA or US income taxes?  Good question. Why is IBM sneaking around? Better question.

With hundreds of thousands of laid-off IT workers in the USA, why can’t American workers be hired for these positions? Because IBM doesn’t want US employees. Or, for that matter, European employees, though these are harder to jettison.

Layoffs at IBM are rarely due to job performance, though complaining will get you sacked. IBM tends to position these actions as job eliminations, but jobs aren’t usually eliminated, they are just relocated to GDF or GR locations staffed by cheaper workers. IBM manages to skirt the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act requiring advance notification of layoffs or plant closings by structuring these resource actions to stay just below the numbers required to provide notifications at given locations. In this way IBM has managed to avoid the mainstream media and touts itself as a good corporate citizen while continuing to expect remaining employees to work 60-70 or more hours per week to keep up with the amount of work.

These draconian tactics might be justified if survival of the company or the best interests of the customer were involved, but they aren’t. It’s mainly about executive compensation. Meanwhile IBM’s work for customers is becoming increasingly shoddy. Contract terms such as vulnerability scanning, ID revalidations, and security implementations are routinely late or not done at all. Account teams are under continued pressure to meet revenue and cost targets regardless of how poorly the contracts were structured by the sales team. Each business sector has a target to move a certain percentage of their technical work to an offshore Global Resource (GR) or onshore Global Delivery Facility (GDF) as mentioned above.

IBM’s goal appears to be to have as few employees in the US as possible, maximizing profit.  But doing so clearly hurts customer satisfaction.

Major IBM customers such as Amgen, The State of Texas, and most recently the Walt Disney Company have cut ties with IBM in favor of other providers. Many other customers are scaling back the services they’re buying from IBM as the perceived value continues to drop. Customers are starting to realize that they can directly hire offshore companies such as TCS, Wipro, HCL and Satayam and book the savings directly instead of paying IBM top dollar for support and then seeing that support fulfilled from BRIC countries.

When IBM first started its big push to offshore technical work, the account teams were asked to make a list of reasons why customers’ work couldn’t be offshored, but were not allowed to use skills as a reason. That makes no sense in a rational organization but it makes perfect sense to IBM."


The Insurgency is now officially collaborating with the Occupy Wall Street movement.  We share many of the same goals as the Occupation, especially in regards to reigning in corporate America and crippling the high-tech junta and starving it of its supply of low-wage slumdog scabs.

For years American companies have been offshoring/outsourcing jobs and decimating the local techie workforce, while paying little or no taxes.  They feed at the public trough, constantly lobbying our government for an unlimited amount of guest worker scabs.

They made training your slumdog replacement a condition of receiving your severance.  They forced us to work unpaid overtime, always with the threat of a docile, compliant guest worker that could be brought in to attempt to do our jobs.

They allowed Desi douchebag bosses like Amir Desai to climb their way up the corporate ladder, where they could act as gatekeepers and tip the scales in favor of their Hindu breathren.

These corporations committed ethnic purges that left entire IT departments stinking of BO and curry, where Hinglish was the lingua franca and Goras were a brutalized minority.  The retaliated viciously when confronted with their crimes, blacklisting and marginalizing American workers who dared speak up for their rights.

They planted shills in the media and academia, people like Vivek Wadhwa, Stuart Anderson, Robert Hoffman, Alex Nowrasteh, and Stephen Fleming to perpetuate the myth that American workers are lazy and dumb and need to be replaced by some master race of booger-farming chair-warmers with an average IQ of 84.

And now the time has come.  You must do something, or the future of American IT will look like this:




tunnel rat posted on September 27, 2011 16:06
From our friends at meetyourindianreplacement.com

Looks like some insurgents are about to go all Jessie Jackson upside the high-tech junta. I look forward to the days of American techies marching into the Curry Dens like Motorola and forcing the mouth-breathing slumdog scabs out of their cozy cubicles.  This just showed up in my email:



BFJ has joined with Stand Up! Chicago, an umbrella group opposed to a proposed U.S. trade deal, to rally for putting Americans back to work and stoping the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) pact. The rally wil take place in downtown Chicago at 11am sharp. Projected turn out is now at least 1,000 and could reach 1,500 or more.

Chicagoans--long know for big shoulders, contentious politics and spirited rallies--has some bright minds atop their big shoulders. They are putting boots on the ground for a long overdue dose of street heat. They have a sharp press operation, receiving advance publicity for the rally.

Stand Up! Chicago has already targeted Motorola & IBM for corporate freeloading, bloated CEO salaries, and dismal job creation so BFJ will be highlighting Motorola & IBM's recruitment abroad for their Illinois job openings. Since 2008, Motorola used the H1-b program to recuit abroad to fill 384 job openings in Illinois, with annual wages of $26,480,732. Stand Up! Chicago is continuing to keep Motorola in their sights and will be thrilled to see IT professionals organized and represented at the rally.

At the rally, you'll see burly baby-boomer Hard Hats marching with tattooed, pierced baristas and hip-hop high-schoolers. Mild-mannered teachers will be beside lawyers attired in business casual. All rallying to put Americans back to work and kill these trade deals. If this doesn't convince you to join, Ben & Jerry's offer of free ice cream maybe the "sweet" that seals the deal for you.

Reply to this message to meet beforehand so we can join the rally together.

We have a slick brochure that was designed by one of our members, so If you are going to a Labor Day rally and want to distribute this please let us know.

Very Good News
Senator Durbin, in a speech to business leaders outside Waukegan, IL, laid out the negative impacts the h1-b program was having. What's stunning is that the topic was even brought up! Outside of the IT industry, these corporate programs are never addressed, so it's been a challenge just to explain what's happening to us and our high-tech jobs.

I read this as an indication that the Senator is gearing up to launch this battle to stop corporate discrimination. Make sure that you are also gearing up to join this battle by talking to your friends and family FIRST. Get them on your side; they will be your support team and create openings for you and BFJ to build a grassroots movement to pass H1-b & l-1 reform.

the Team at BFJ,

Donna, Mike, Barbara M, Barbara G & John R.


tunnel rat posted on November 8, 2010 22:54

Another Indian infiltrator, Arvind Panagariya, is peddling some more NASSCOM bullshit in the NY Times, in a piece titled "What Obama Can Learn From India."

At first, I thought he was going to be honest, and cover these topics:

1.  How to produce more cell phones than toilets

2.  How to keep you corrupt upper-caste oligarchy in charge

3.  How to lead the world in sales of "Mein Kampf"

4.  How to flood the world with millions of marble-mouthed slumdogs who remit 90% of their pay back to the upper-caste oligarchy

Instead, this slumdog peddled the typical crap:

The current U.S. administration, unfortunately, is succumbing to protectionist impulses. For instance, it recently imposed fee hikes of $2,000 or more on H1-B and L-1 visas for highly-skilled foreign workers at firms employing more than 50 workers, with half or more of their workers on H1-B visas. Another example is the discrimination in tax treatment based on whether the firms create jobs at home or abroad.

Of course, he was pretty much flamed in the comments section, except for the few illiterate slumdogs that chimed in from THE LAND THAT TIME FORGOT, like Sameer:

america gets 1.3 $
for each dollar the usa spend through outsourcing ... it means that a return of 30% ...
secondly ...
i find many Americans r much concerned for BPO jobs ...
personally i dun like BPO jobs ..
i believe as soon as the indian economy changes into a production based economy ...
BPO jobs will lose its shine in india ... as indian youths r much concerned about the "name nd fame" factor .. nd BPO jobs doesnt give so in india...
even today in india a engineering degree course or a medical degree course is the first preference of students ...
and regarding software jobs .. i believe if americans want to compete wid indian counterpart .. thn they must reconsider their salary figures as IT giants
hire indian software techie coz of their less salary demand ..

Thanks, you stupid fuck. 

But there was more insight from other Indians (I am seeing more bitching from the NRIs!):

Mr. Panagariya,

As an Indian techie who once used to be on the reviled H1B program, I feel that American engineers
have legitimate concerns in the employment immigration policies and related industry actions. Many American engineers with 20 years experience find that they are easily replaceable with foreigners with much less expertise and are willing to work for a little bit less. Unlike other professions like Medicine, Law or Business, there is not much growth in salary levels in Engineering with experience. Further the modern engineering process is designed to be compartmentalized and sent to the entity that will do it for the least cost - so to most employees the years of experience brings little advantage.

Irving, TX for example is full of "body shopping" companies floated by former Verizon employees, which offer H1B sponsorship, training and a possible placement with a client to almost anybody for a cost. Especially in their heydays till 2008, many of these H1B applicants used many tricks to burnish their resumes and inflate their experience - Housewives became experts in inventory management and pizza deliverers in supply chain management. Similarly there are innumerable violations of the intent of Work visa laws by employees, by employers and immigration lawyers who support them. Such violations not only hurt US workers but also other more legitimate H1B workers.

With these concerns in mind, it is a legitimate action on part of the American government to levy a USD2000 fee for every H1B or L1 worker that wishes to work there. The show of indignation on part of Indian outsourcing companies is duplicitous, especially when a typical worker bills out at 50 to 250 USD per hour. Let us say the median wage is 80 USD/hour - 400 per day or 2000 USD per week - Why is it so bad for the American government to get paid 1 weeks wages - that too probably once in 2 or 3 years. These modest fees are justified and the funds can be used for retraining programs in the US. Further India has similar rules - for example no foreigner is allowed to work if he is paid less than USD25000 - this is clearly a protectionist rule meant to prevent hordes of cheap workers invading India. So Indian government cannot complain about a US law that makes it a little bit more expensive to outsource work. In any case this will become a cost of business and will be passed on to the client, and may reduce the misuse of these visas.

Then you get the crap from the typical collaborator, who should get a tire-iron to his head:

Isn't the "they're stealing our jobs" refrain getting a little old? Reminds me of the "Gooback" episode of South Park.
How exactly are they stealing our jobs? That many American IT professionals have priced themselves out of the market is closer to the truth.
A couple years ago my company tasked me with staffing and managing a large org-wide program that had a big chunk of IT work. Our inhouse IT folks estimated the IT work to be about 30,000 hours, if I remember right. Given the timeline of the project, the estimate was that we'd need 2 IT project managers, 1 IT architect, 4 designers and 30 programmers.
We didn't employ enough IT staff to allocate to this, so we started looking outside.
The local staffing firms (similar to Manpower, KForce etc) gave impressive resumes, but the overall cost would have been upward of $15 million, because the hourly rates quoted ranged from $60 to $120.
Then we started looking at firms that do offshore work. The American company that we finally awarded the project to signed with us a fixed price contract for less than $5 million for executing the project, and an approx $1 million-a-year AMC. All the 30-odd programmers were based offshore - in India and the Philippines.
It's a better business model for them, it's better value for me as a business-owner.

Let us know when that off-shored project blows up, "manbearpig" and we'll round up some insurgents to clean it up, douchebag.

Then there is the typical eloquent response from an insurgent:

I love hearing about how "highly skilled" H1B and L1 visa holders promote productivity and so forth. The reality is that the H1B visa program, which once upon a time involved people with unique skill sets like a phd in solid state physics, etc, now are for any kind of job, assuming the person has the basic requirements of it. Thus programmers, engineers, etc are brought in under H1B's, many of them educated with no more then the equivalent of a 2 year associates degree here in the states.

And they are not paid market wages, they are paid a fraction of it, with no benefits, despite what the law says. More importantly, H1B visa holders are indentured servants, who cannot just go to another company and get a job that pays better, unless they can find someone to sponsor them. The Indian IT outsourcing/insourcing is not about productivity, it is about low wages, based on India turning out graduates of (for the most part) mediocre schools who are desperate for jobs, because without western companies, India produces very few jobs (other then outsourcing firms like infosys and wipro),so they have to in effect take jobs rather then create them themselves. And while there are many skilled Indian workers who are at the best level, a lot more frankly are mediocre at best, who get jobs because they are cheap, and the bosses at companies see this as being productive, since of course it saves them on salary and other things. Of course, the bosses don't see the other side of this, the often lack of quality (often caused by workers who don't understand what they are working on, or worse, as is common at many outsourcing firms in India, rapid turnover), and they also don't see what the employees of the company who have to oversea outsourced labor have to do to accomodate this workforce, spending a lot of time and effort, rather then in designing better ways to do things or better products, simply try to get the job done given what they are (and for all those of you who think the GOP is your friend, they just canned a bill that would have gotten rid of the tax credits companies get for outsourcing products).

And with IT, India is going to find that taking jobs from the west is going to end up cutting their own throat, much as export only societies like China are going to find, because cheap labor doesn't drive the kind of demand that the goods and services they are providing need, you cannot continue to create jobs based on cheap labor (put it this way, most of the Indian H1B workers in the US are not exactly happy; 99% of them, I can guarantee you,spend a lot of time trying to convince companies to sponsor their green card, so they can actually compete in the labor market and try to make a decent living). One of the problems with the Indian economy, much like the Chinese economy, is that the growth they are experiencing is coming on a zero sum basis, that what they take in their growth is taking away from others. They aren't creating new wealth, they aren't creating an internal market or creating new products or revolutionizing (sorry, Tom, but putting cell phone service on Mt. Everest is clever, but not exactly creating something new)...

Well said, wdef!

- Vineet Nayar, CEO, HCL Technologies

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